[Histonet] Ventana vs Leica

histotech <@t> imagesbyhopper.com histotech <@t> imagesbyhopper.com
Sat Aug 28 09:33:57 CDT 2010

Is there anyone in FL who can confirm (or refute) my thoughts on whether or
not a lab aide can load the IHC machine if a tech set up the labels for the
automated staining?  And if they can load it, is there any documentation to
support this, just to keep my lab honest?



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From: Mahoney,Janice A [mailto:Janice.Mahoney <@t> alegent.org] 
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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Ventana vs Leica

Our Techs load all the reagents and assure that the slides are labeled
properly.  With Ventana it is so simple to load the slides, they can go in
any order so there are no mix ups.  Each slide has a bar code which matches
the protocol.  
I would caution you when looking at pricing.  I have heard that if you have
one slide in one of the modules on the Bond, that it needs enough fluid for
5 slides to activate the pump.  That would be wasting 4/5 of the fluids
needed for that module.  Sounds like a-lot of waste to me.  I would ask
about this for sure. Janice Mahoney HT(ASCP) Histology/Cytology Coordinator
Alegent Health Laboratory 4955 F Street Omaha, NE (402)717-2889
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From: histotech <@t> imagesbyhopper.com [histotech <@t> imagesbyhopper.com]
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Subject: Re: [Histonet] Ventana vs Leica

Unless someone corrects me (or even agrees with me!) in FL only a
technologist is allowed to load the IHC machine, so no additional lean for
us.  :o(

I would be interested to hear more about the savings though, as we are
preparing to be in the market for a new IHC machine.  We currently have the
Benchmark XT.

On Aug 26, 2010, at 10:08 AM, "Mahoney,Janice A"
<Janice.Mahoney <@t> alegent.org> wrote:

> We love our Ventana instruments too Jay.  I don't quite believe the 
> 40% difference in cost.  I'd like to see those numbers.  I know I save 
> in tech time and the instruments are very easy to use.  We have histo 
> assistants and secretaries trained to load and unload the instruments, 
> saving out techs to do the things only techs can do.  Talk about LEAN! 
> A little more from a LEAN perspective, the Ultra is the only 
> instrument out there that is "TRUE" continuous flow. As soon as there 
> is an open spot on the instrument and the antibody is on board, I can 
> add a slide.  I don't have to wait till one of the 10 slide modules is 
> finished.  Leica is still a batch instrument, it is just smaller 
> batches than the older IHC models. I'm not putting Leica down, it is a 
> fine instrument but I think it is important for people to know the 
> facts. Jan Mahoney Omaha
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> Subject: Re: [Histonet] Ventana vs Leica
> Jay,
> I currently use the Ventana and am very pleased with the results I 
> get. The only draw back is the cost to run the instrument. It can get 
> quite pricey. They added space on the antibody wheel but took space 
> away from the slide area. This has impacted our work flow greatly. We 
> are however looking to purchase a second one. This one will have 
> continual through put. That should help out with TAT. Hope this helps.
> Beatrice Sullivan, HT(A.S.C.P.) HTL , AAS, CLSP(N.C.A.)
> AP Supervisor
> Shore Memorial Hospital
> 609-653-3590
>             Jay Lundgren
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>     I was wondering if anyone out there had experience with both the 
> Ventana Ultra and the Leica Bond immunostainers.  I realize that most 
> people have a personal preference as to brands, but I'm not looking 
> for a knee-jerk
> opinion (LEICA RULZ!!!!11 or VENTANA FTW!!), just someone who has had
> actual
> experience working on a daily basis with both instruments.  If this is
> could you please tell me which you preferred and why.
>     I'm currently working for a facility in MT which has narrowed down its
> search to these two instruments.  No vendors please, they've already given
> their pitches.
>                                                         Thanks,
>                                                              Jay A. 
> Lundgren M.S., HTL (ASCP) 
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