[Histonet] Unregistered HT
Pam Barker
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Wed Sep 11 10:09:04 CDT 2013
My 2 cents...
So the real "shortage" in the field is ASCP HT/HTL certified techs with 2+
years of experience who are CLIA qualified to gross. Just saying... I know
a great many uncertified experienced techs and even more entry level ASCP
certified recent graduates of histology schools who are desperately looking
for positions and willing to relocate anywhere and work any shift...
Thanks-Pam
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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee & Peggy
Wenk
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Just a comment on the comment about there being "not enough" HT/HTL programs
in the US. Agreed. There are 38 HT and 7 HTL, for a total of 45. Compare
that with 223 MLS/MT and 233 MLT, for a total of 456, and we histotechs have
1/10 the number of programs as med techs.
If you are interested in starting a HT or HTL program in your area, either
in a hospital or a college, or would like information about what it would
take to start one, Sarah Bajer and I are presenting at Providence, RI,
Workshop #2 on How to Start a HT or HTL School, on Saturday Sept. 21, from
8:00 am - 11:30 am.
Come and collect the information. To register, go to the NSH website
http://www.histoconvention.org/
Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
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From: Marcum, Pamela A
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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
We have heard for years that NSH is working on changing the status to
Laboratory Professionals and so far as I have heard nothing happening to
make the change. A large part of this is ASCP/all organizations
inspecting/licensing are still looking at us as non-skilled labor that
requires only OJT training or an AA/AS degree at best. We have a few one
year schools and some online however; not enough to cover the need for HTs
and HTLs.
We need ASCP/CAP/CLIA/all organizations that inspect us and tell us how to
run the laboratories to actually understand we have changed in the last 25
years and no longer just cut and do H&Es. I am not sure where to go as I
have been bringing this up for years and see no movement. Take the test to
be an inspector for CAP and you will see the problem clearly. It is 98%
Clinical Laboratory and maybe 2% Anatomic Pathology. If you don't know
Clinical you will have a problem passing the test without help.
Pam Marcum
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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were
looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.
Joyce Weems
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As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education
requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.
From: "Marcum, Pamela A" <PAMarcum <@t> uams.edu>
To: "'joelle weaver'" <joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com>, "'Emily Sours'"
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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
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I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as
they could be for what we are facing in Histology. I keep harping on the
fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay
in this limbo. The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to
what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more
years ago. The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find
anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any manual testing. The
Micro lab is the closest to being as manual as areas of Histology.
I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for
us. I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview.
Pam Marcum
From: joelle weaver [mailto:joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Well I am mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set
standards outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position I
have now, I had to submit all my transcripts from high school up through
masters in addition to proof of my ASCP certification, IHC qualification,
continuing education, and professional association activity. There is a lot
of gray area out there. They seem to have not had trouble getting applicants
though ( and I know this varies by market), there were over 8 candidates for
an HT opening, which I thought was a pretty good turn out.
Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
> From: PAMarcum <@t> uams.edu
> To: talulahgosh <@t> gmail.com; joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com
> CC: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:53:26 +0000
>
> Research is a different area and not controlled by CAP, CLIA and other
hospital licensing or accreditation organizations. We are bound by the rules
of these organizations and while I agree with you to a point. We do need
minimums for training and registration by recognized licensing bodies when
patient tissue is being processed for histological examination. I am sure no
one thinks of this often however; there are medical legal issues with
insurance we have that do not apply for research. It is also clear that
registration does not mean we don't have registered people who are not as
good as they should be for excellent patient care.
>
> I have worked in research and while I would not ever say the hiring of
non-registered people is a problem for research. It is often a specialty
area that requires knowing more than routine Histology. I have done plastics
in research that could not ever be used in routine Histology due to the time
factors and in some cases limited use with staining applications, especially
IHC for some procedures. Many other areas in research require more
specialized training than would be used in a routine area. I would also add
some really great techs are in many phases of research. I know MT who work
in Histology and are not registered as the MT BS, overrides the HT
requirement for many institutions.
>
> Many factors must be considered for both research and routine
> Histology
that cover far more than just hiring registered people in certain areas of
the laboratory.
>
> Pam Marcum
>
>
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> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu<
mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu> [
mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu]<mailto:[
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> To: joelle weaver
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> Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
>
> Do employers consider lab techs to be proficient enough? I've been
> doing
ISH and immuno for 13 years, but I'm not certified as I do research. Maybe
there aren't a lot of lab techs out there? Just wondering since you might be
missing someone awesome by hiring only certified people.
>
> "By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama
> of
their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new
story for their lives. Move forward."
>
> -Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM, joelle weaver
> <joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com<
mailto:joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com>>wrote:
>
> > All I have is a "histology assistant" description I put together. It
> > is mostly clerical, instrument up keep and other duties. My employer
> > does not hire uncertified techs- due to CLIA license, grossing, FISH
> > & molecular duties ( high complexity). I hope to be a clinical site
> > eventually, and then they will have to complete their certification
> > within one year -if they are hired on.
> > If you think that will help, I can send it on.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 15:39:12 -0500
> > > From: delsuec <@t> gmail.com<mailto:delsuec <@t> gmail.com>
> > > To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu<
mailto:histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
> > > Subject: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm wondering if anyone can share a job description for an
> > > unregistered
> > HT
> > > position. I also need to know if unregistered HT's are allowed to
> > > cut frozen sections. I know there is a limit to what they can do,
> > > especially where IHC and special staining are concerned, but I
> > > really don't know
> > about
> > > frozens, since it's a lot like regular microtomy, except for the
> > > H&E staining of the slide. I also understand that facilities might
> > > have different descriptions, but what I'm really looking for is
> > > what CAP
> > allows
> > > them to do.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help,
> > >
> > > Deloris Carter, HT(ASCP)
> > > SMMC
> > > Shawnee, KS
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