[Histonet] Unregistered HT
joelle weaver
joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com
Wed Sep 11 10:12:20 CDT 2013
Thanks for your point of view and insights Pam- we need to know what employers are seeking to keep marketable.
Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
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> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:09:04 -0400
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
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> My 2 cents...
> So the real "shortage" in the field is ASCP HT/HTL certified techs with 2+
> years of experience who are CLIA qualified to gross. Just saying... I know
> a great many uncertified experienced techs and even more entry level ASCP
> certified recent graduates of histology schools who are desperately looking
> for positions and willing to relocate anywhere and work any shift...
>
> Thanks-Pam
>
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>
> Thank You!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee & Peggy
> Wenk
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> Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
>
> Just a comment on the comment about there being "not enough" HT/HTL programs
> in the US. Agreed. There are 38 HT and 7 HTL, for a total of 45. Compare
> that with 223 MLS/MT and 233 MLT, for a total of 456, and we histotechs have
> 1/10 the number of programs as med techs.
>
> If you are interested in starting a HT or HTL program in your area, either
> in a hospital or a college, or would like information about what it would
> take to start one, Sarah Bajer and I are presenting at Providence, RI,
> Workshop #2 on How to Start a HT or HTL School, on Saturday Sept. 21, from
> 8:00 am - 11:30 am.
>
> Come and collect the information. To register, go to the NSH website
> http://www.histoconvention.org/
>
> Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcum, Pamela A
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> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
>
> We have heard for years that NSH is working on changing the status to
> Laboratory Professionals and so far as I have heard nothing happening to
> make the change. A large part of this is ASCP/all organizations
> inspecting/licensing are still looking at us as non-skilled labor that
> requires only OJT training or an AA/AS degree at best. We have a few one
> year schools and some online however; not enough to cover the need for HTs
> and HTLs.
>
> We need ASCP/CAP/CLIA/all organizations that inspect us and tell us how to
> run the laboratories to actually understand we have changed in the last 25
> years and no longer just cut and do H&Es. I am not sure where to go as I
> have been bringing this up for years and see no movement. Take the test to
> be an inspector for CAP and you will see the problem clearly. It is 98%
> Clinical Laboratory and maybe 2% Anatomic Pathology. If you don't know
> Clinical you will have a problem passing the test without help.
>
> Pam Marcum
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Weems, Joyce K. [mailto:Joyce.Weems <@t> emoryhealthcare.org]
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>
> And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were
> looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.
>
>
> Joyce Weems
> Pathology Manager
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> MacDonald
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> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
>
> As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education
> requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.
>
>
>
> From: "Marcum, Pamela A" <PAMarcum <@t> uams.edu>
> To: "'joelle weaver'" <joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com>, "'Emily Sours'"
> <talulahgosh <@t> gmail.com>, "histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu"
> <histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
> Date: 09/10/2013 01:12 PM
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>
>
> I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as
>
> they could be for what we are facing in Histology. I keep harping on the
> fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay
> in this limbo. The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to
>
> what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more
> years ago. The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find
> anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any manual testing. The
> Micro lab is the closest to being as manual as areas of Histology.
>
> I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for
> us. I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview.
>
> Pam Marcum
>
> From: joelle weaver [mailto:joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM
> To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
>
> Well I am mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set
> standards outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position I
>
> have now, I had to submit all my transcripts from high school up through
> masters in addition to proof of my ASCP certification, IHC qualification,
> continuing education, and professional association activity. There is a lot
> of gray area out there. They seem to have not had trouble getting applicants
>
> though ( and I know this varies by market), there were over 8 candidates for
>
> an HT opening, which I thought was a pretty good turn out.
>
>
> Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
>
> > From: PAMarcum <@t> uams.edu
> > To: talulahgosh <@t> gmail.com; joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com
> > CC: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:53:26 +0000
> >
> > Research is a different area and not controlled by CAP, CLIA and other
> hospital licensing or accreditation organizations. We are bound by the rules
>
> of these organizations and while I agree with you to a point. We do need
> minimums for training and registration by recognized licensing bodies when
> patient tissue is being processed for histological examination. I am sure no
>
> one thinks of this often however; there are medical legal issues with
> insurance we have that do not apply for research. It is also clear that
> registration does not mean we don't have registered people who are not as
> good as they should be for excellent patient care.
> >
> > I have worked in research and while I would not ever say the hiring of
> non-registered people is a problem for research. It is often a specialty
> area that requires knowing more than routine Histology. I have done plastics
>
> in research that could not ever be used in routine Histology due to the time
>
> factors and in some cases limited use with staining applications, especially
>
> IHC for some procedures. Many other areas in research require more
> specialized training than would be used in a routine area. I would also add
> some really great techs are in many phases of research. I know MT who work
> in Histology and are not registered as the MT BS, overrides the HT
> requirement for many institutions.
> >
> > Many factors must be considered for both research and routine
> > Histology
> that cover far more than just hiring registered people in certain areas of
> the laboratory.
> >
> > Pam Marcum
> >
> >
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> mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu]> On Behalf Of Emily Sours
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> > To: joelle weaver
> > Cc: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu<
> mailto:histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> >
> > Do employers consider lab techs to be proficient enough? I've been
> > doing
> ISH and immuno for 13 years, but I'm not certified as I do research. Maybe
> there aren't a lot of lab techs out there? Just wondering since you might be
>
> missing someone awesome by hiring only certified people.
> >
> > "By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama
> > of
> their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new
> story for their lives. Move forward."
> >
> > -Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM, joelle weaver
> > <joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com<
> mailto:joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com>>wrote:
> >
> > > All I have is a "histology assistant" description I put together. It
> > > is mostly clerical, instrument up keep and other duties. My employer
> > > does not hire uncertified techs- due to CLIA license, grossing, FISH
> > > & molecular duties ( high complexity). I hope to be a clinical site
> > > eventually, and then they will have to complete their certification
> > > within one year -if they are hired on.
> > > If you think that will help, I can send it on.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
> > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 15:39:12 -0500
> > > > From: delsuec <@t> gmail.com<mailto:delsuec <@t> gmail.com>
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> > > > Subject: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I'm wondering if anyone can share a job description for an
> > > > unregistered
> > > HT
> > > > position. I also need to know if unregistered HT's are allowed to
> > > > cut frozen sections. I know there is a limit to what they can do,
> > > > especially where IHC and special staining are concerned, but I
> > > > really don't know
> > > about
> > > > frozens, since it's a lot like regular microtomy, except for the
> > > > H&E staining of the slide. I also understand that facilities might
> > > > have different descriptions, but what I'm really looking for is
> > > > what CAP
> > > allows
> > > > them to do.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your help,
> > > >
> > > > Deloris Carter, HT(ASCP)
> > > > SMMC
> > > > Shawnee, KS
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