[Histonet] Unregistered HT

Wed Sep 11 10:01:10 CDT 2013

Just a comment on the comment about there being "not enough" HT/HTL programs 
in the US. Agreed. There are 38 HT and 7 HTL, for a total of 45. Compare 
that with 223 MLS/MT and 233 MLT, for a total of 456, and we histotechs have 
1/10 the number of programs as med techs.

If you are interested in starting a HT or HTL program in your area, either 
in a hospital or a college, or would like information about what it would 
take to start one, Sarah Bajer and I are presenting at Providence, RI, 
Workshop #2 on How to Start a HT or HTL School, on Saturday Sept. 21, from 
8:00 am - 11:30 am.

Come and collect the information. To register, go to the NSH website 
http://www.histoconvention.org/

Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS

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From: Marcum, Pamela A
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:18 AM
To: 'Weems, Joyce K.' ; 'JenniferMacDonald'
Cc: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu ; 
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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

We have heard for years that NSH is working on changing the status to 
Laboratory Professionals and so far as I have heard nothing happening to 
make the change.  A large part of this is ASCP/all organizations 
inspecting/licensing are still looking at us as non-skilled labor that 
requires only OJT training or an AA/AS degree at best.  We have a few one 
year schools and some online however; not enough to cover the need for HTs 
and HTLs.

We need ASCP/CAP/CLIA/all organizations that inspect us and tell us how to 
run the laboratories to actually understand we have changed in the last 25 
years and no longer just cut and do H&Es.  I am not sure where to go as I 
have been bringing this up for years and see no movement.  Take the test to 
be an inspector for CAP and you will see the problem clearly.  It is 98% 
Clinical Laboratory and maybe 2% Anatomic Pathology.  If you don't know 
Clinical you will have a problem passing the test without help.

Pam Marcum

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From: Weems, Joyce K. [mailto:Joyce.Weems <@t> emoryhealthcare.org]
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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were 
looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.

Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
MacDonald
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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education 
requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.

From:   "Marcum, Pamela A" <PAMarcum <@t> uams.edu>
To:     "'joelle weaver'" <joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com>, "'Emily Sours'"
<talulahgosh <@t> gmail.com>, "histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu"
<histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
Date:   09/10/2013 01:12 PM
Subject:        RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
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I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as 
they could be for what we are facing in Histology.  I keep harping on the 
fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay 
in this limbo.  The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to 
what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more 
years ago.  The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find 
anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any manual testing.  The 
Micro lab is the closest to being as manual as areas of Histology.

I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for 
us.  I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview.

Pam Marcum

From: joelle weaver [mailto:joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Well I am  mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set 
standards outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position I 
have now, I had to submit all my transcripts from high school up through 
masters in addition to  proof of my ASCP certification, IHC qualification, 
continuing education, and professional association activity. There is a lot 
of gray area out there. They seem to have not had trouble getting applicants 
though ( and I know this varies by market), there were over 8 candidates for 
an HT opening, which I thought was a pretty good turn out.

Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC

> From: PAMarcum <@t> uams.edu
> To: talulahgosh <@t> gmail.com; joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com
> CC: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:53:26 +0000
>
> Research is a different area and not controlled by CAP, CLIA and other
hospital licensing or accreditation organizations. We are bound by the rules 
of these organizations and while I agree with you to a point. We do need 
minimums for training and registration by recognized licensing bodies when 
patient tissue is being processed for histological examination. I am sure no 
one thinks of this often however; there are medical legal issues with 
insurance we have that do not apply for research. It is also clear that 
registration does not mean we don't have registered people who are not as 
good as they should be for excellent patient care.
>
> I have worked in research and while I would not ever say the hiring of
non-registered people is a problem for research. It is often a specialty 
area that requires knowing more than routine Histology. I have done plastics 
in research that could not ever be used in routine Histology due to the time 
factors and in some cases limited use with staining applications, especially 
IHC for some procedures. Many other areas in research require more 
specialized training than would be used in a routine area. I would also add 
some really great techs are in many phases of research. I know MT who work 
in Histology and are not registered as the MT BS, overrides the HT 
requirement for many institutions.
>
> Many factors must be considered for both research and routine
> Histology
that cover far more than just hiring registered people in certain areas of 
the laboratory.
>
> Pam Marcum
>
>
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mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu]<mailto:[
mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu]> On Behalf Of Emily Sours
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> To: joelle weaver
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> Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
>
> Do employers consider lab techs to be proficient enough? I've been
> doing
ISH and immuno for 13 years, but I'm not certified as I do research. Maybe 
there aren't a lot of lab techs out there? Just wondering since you might be 
missing someone awesome by hiring only certified people.
>
> "By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama
> of
their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new 
story for their lives. Move forward."
>
> -Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM, joelle weaver
> <joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com<
mailto:joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com>>wrote:
>
> > All I have is a "histology assistant" description I put together. It
> > is mostly clerical, instrument up keep and other duties. My employer
> > does not hire uncertified techs- due to CLIA license, grossing, FISH
> > & molecular duties ( high complexity). I hope to be a clinical site
> > eventually, and then they will have to complete their certification
> > within one year -if they are hired on.
> > If you think that will help, I can send it on.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 15:39:12 -0500
> > > From: delsuec <@t> gmail.com<mailto:delsuec <@t> gmail.com>
> > > To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu<
mailto:histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
> > > Subject: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm wondering if anyone can share a job description for an
> > > unregistered
> > HT
> > > position. I also need to know if unregistered HT's are allowed to
> > > cut frozen sections. I know there is a limit to what they can do,
> > > especially where IHC and special staining are concerned, but I
> > > really don't know
> > about
> > > frozens, since it's a lot like regular microtomy, except for the
> > > H&E staining of the slide. I also understand that facilities might
> > > have different descriptions, but what I'm really looking for is
> > > what CAP
> > allows
> > > them to do.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help,
> > >
> > > Deloris Carter, HT(ASCP)
> > > SMMC
> > > Shawnee, KS
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