[Histonet] OJT Histotechs/Training
Joelle Weaver
joelleweaver at hotmail.com
Sun May 17 05:38:28 CDT 2015
I will speak to my laboratory director about this. I know the situation first hand from my previous experience!
Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
> To: TNMayer at mdanderson.org
> From: JMacDonald at mtsac.edu
> Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 20:02:34 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Histonet] OJT Histotechs/Training
> CC: histonet at lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>
> This is an issue with our program as well. We have a difficult time
> finding clinical sites for our students. Many people want to hire trained
> individuals, but don't want to invest any time in the training. Our
> students receive a great deal of hands-on time in the student laboratory,
> but need "real life" experience.
> Jennifer MacDonald
> Mt. San Antonio College
>
>
>
> From: "Mayer,Toysha N" <TNMayer at mdanderson.org>
> To: "'histonet at lists.utsouthwestern.edu'"
> <histonet at lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
> Date: 05/14/2015 01:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Histonet] OJT Histotechs/Training
>
>
>
> One good way to find techs is to offer to become a clinical affiliate for
> a program. Most programs struggle with attracting students and providing
> them with clinical affiliates to fine tune their skills.
> It may not matter that the school is not located near you, the student may
> have family nearby to stay with.
> We are always looking for long distance affiliates, that way we can
> attract an out-of-state student and not saturate the local area. I have
> students who want to relocate to different areas and just for a change and
> this helps them do so. We also get calls from applicants who don't mind
> moving to us for 9-10 months, as long as they can go home when they
> finish.
> If the program is agreeable to this, the specifics can be worked out, such
> as what skills are entry level and the length of the time the student is
> at your facility.
> Ours is called an Internship and the student is at the facility for 12
> weeks. They come in knowing basic embedding, cutting, routine staining,
> specials, and have performed a minimum of three IHC stains. Two are
> manual and one automated.
> Some programs keep the students in house for some time before they leave
> for internship, while others leave the technical training to the clinics.
> It all depends on what is available.
> This would be a low cost way to see if you like a person, can train them
> and are willing to teach.
> Some students are looking to relocate just before graduation, so a move
> for an internship is a consideration.
> Many times it is the expectations of the trainer that are not aligned with
> the skill level of entry-level techs and that can cause problems. This
> way the person can come in with an assessment of the skill level and the
> OJT phase can begin. If the affiliate chooses to hire the student, great.
> If not, then no harm. At least you get to say that you tried and did not
> have to waste money doing so. It is not a source of free labor, but a way
> of accurately assessing a person's fit for your needs.
> Many allied health programs (not just histo) are doing this and it helps
> to showcase different labs and programs.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Toysha N. Mayer, D.H.Sc., MBA, HT (ASCP)
> Instructor/Education Coordinator
> Program in Histotechnology
> School of Health Professions
> UT M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
> 713.563-3481
>
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>
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> Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 17:07:06 +0000
> From: "Morken, Timothy" <Timothy.Morken at ucsf.edu>
> To: Pam Marcum <mucram11 at comcast.net>, Lisa Roy <Royl1 at LabCorp.com>
> Cc: Histonet <histonet at lists.utsouthwestern.edu>, Michael Dessoye
> <mjdessoye at commonwealthhealth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Histonet] OJT Histotechs/Training
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> I think there is some actor from the CSI series that has done some of this
> work promoting lab techs...
>
> Tim Morken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pam Marcum [mailto:mucram11 at comcast.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:18 AM
> To: Lisa Roy
> Cc: Histonet; Michael Dessoye
> Subject: Re: [Histonet] OJT Histotechs/Training
>
> I understand and agree with everything being said and feel we do need more
> education in getting your registry, as Histology is changing and
> growing.??We need to be prepared to grow with it, much as we did when IHC
> first came into Histology and many thought it would go to the MTs.??
> ?
> The one thing that has not changed in the 50 years I have done Histology
> is the fact that no one outside of AP knows what a Histologist is or what
> we do.? (I'm tried of being asked "Oh what kind of history is that?")?
> Until we change that and get more information about the field and
> advantages we will still be in the straights we are in now.? No one
> joining because so few people even know what we do or that there is an
> opportunity here.? If you don't know what Histology is why would you even
> look at the field.? I know about and have done school visits, career days
> etc; and those are not enough.?
> ?
> We need a spokesperson or celebrity?who has needed our services and not
> even known we, Histology, were the ones who did the slides their wonderful
> doctors used to save their lives.? This person or persons needs to speak
> loud and strong the way Robin Roberts has done on TV for her doctors
> and?help.?However; Histology was neven mentioned in those gratis
> moments.?I have only known one?person in NSH who suggested this and no one
> listened.? If?they can't see you or know you - you don't exist.??Can we
> all take off the blinders and?look at what we need in publicity and stop
> waiting for NSH and ASCP to do it.???Then we can offer these possible
> future HTs and HTLs something, like being recognized as full laboratory
> professionals and a higher level of lab aide.
> ?
> Just my thoughts (for many years and spoken often)
> ?
> Pam Marcum
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Lisa Roy" <Royl1 at LabCorp.com>
> To: "Michael Dessoye" <mjdessoye at commonwealthhealth.net>, "Histonet"
> <histonet at lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:55:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Histonet] OJT Histotechs/Training
>
> I currently have 3 open tech positions and don't have any qualified
> applicants applying for the job. ?I have recently taken a lab aide that
> showed interest and aptitude and began OJT. ?With less than 30 schools in
> the country actually teaching histology, this is one day going to be the
> way. ?Already having a bachelors in biology, my aide qualifies to sit for
> the ASCP exam once he has completed one full year of tech work and has a
> pathologist willing to review his work and sign off on the ASCP paperwork.
> ?Without going through a traditional program, one must have an associates
> or bachelor's degree with a ?certain amount of Chemistry and Science
> credits. ?As far as the training, I started with embedding and moved on
> from there to cutting and then special staining. ?All along way, working
> on troubleshooting and documenting EVERYTHING. ?Some places will hire
> someone with only a high school diploma as long as they have previous HT
> experience. ?I think the specifics of what each in
> stitution would deem a qualified trainee will vary from place to place.
> ?Smaller hospitals or labs may be okay training someone with aptitude that
> doesn't necessarily fit the ASCP exam qualifications, but large
> corporations might really insist that the trainee be certifiable at some
> point.
>
> Frankly, I think taking someone that shows an interest and has the
> knowledge to be a great tech is better than hiring someone that you may
> not know what you are getting. ?Doing OJT ensures that you are teaching
> the candidate exactly how you want things done and not having to accept
> the bad habits of someone that has been doing it a long time and set in
> their own ways.
>
> Good luck
> Lisa ? ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dessoye, Michael [mailto:mjdessoye at commonwealthhealth.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:44 AM
> To: histonet at lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: [Histonet] OJT Histotechs/Training
>
> Hello Histonet,
>
> I'm curious how people are dealing with on-the-job-trained histotechs.
> ?Many people are seeing a shortage in techs, and in my opinion OJT will
> become more common than it already is. ?Does anyone have an 'official'
> training program? ?Requirements to pass the exam? ?Qualifications to be
> able to be trained on-the-job? ?I'd like to consider having some kind of
> plan in place when I don't have an HT/HTL applicant but have folks who, if
> they get the experience, are otherwise qualified to sit for the exam. ?If
> anyone has a similar situation or experience to share I would appreciate
> it!
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> Michael J. Dessoye, M.S. | Histology/Toxicology/RIA Supervisor |
> Wilkes-Barre General Hospital | An Affiliate of Commonwealth Health |
> mjdessoye at commonwealthhealth.net<mailto:mjdessoye at commonwealthhealth.net>
> | 575 N. River Street | Wilkes Barre, PA 18764 | Tel: 570-552-1432 | Fax:
> 570-552-1486
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