[Histonet] Unregistered HT

Tue Sep 10 18:32:29 CDT 2013

As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education 
requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.

From:   "Marcum, Pamela A" <PAMarcum <@t> uams.edu>
To:     "'joelle weaver'" <joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com>, "'Emily Sours'" 
<talulahgosh <@t> gmail.com>, "histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu" 
<histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
Date:   09/10/2013 01:12 PM
Subject:        RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
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I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good 
as they could be for what we are facing in Histology.  I keep harping on 
the fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will 
stay in this limbo.  The rules determining complex testing should be 
revisited to what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we 
did 30 or more years ago.  The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it 
is hard to find anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any 
manual testing.  The Micro lab is the closest to being as manual as areas 
of Histology.

I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for 
us.  I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview.

Pam Marcum

From: joelle weaver [mailto:joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

 Well I am  mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set 
standards outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position 
I have now, I had to submit all my transcripts from high school up through 
masters in addition to  proof of my ASCP certification, IHC qualification, 
continuing education, and professional association activity. There is a 
lot of gray area out there. They seem to have not had trouble getting 
applicants though ( and I know this varies by market), there were over 8 
candidates for an HT opening, which I thought was a pretty good turn out.

Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC

> From: PAMarcum <@t> uams.edu
> To: talulahgosh <@t> gmail.com; joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com
> CC: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:53:26 +0000
>
> Research is a different area and not controlled by CAP, CLIA and other 
hospital licensing or accreditation organizations. We are bound by the 
rules of these organizations and while I agree with you to a point. We do 
need minimums for training and registration by recognized licensing bodies 
when patient tissue is being processed for histological examination. I am 
sure no one thinks of this often however; there are medical legal issues 
with insurance we have that do not apply for research. It is also clear 
that registration does not mean we don't have registered people who are 
not as good as they should be for excellent patient care.
>
> I have worked in research and while I would not ever say the hiring of 
non-registered people is a problem for research. It is often a specialty 
area that requires knowing more than routine Histology. I have done 
plastics in research that could not ever be used in routine Histology due 
to the time factors and in some cases limited use with staining 
applications, especially IHC for some procedures. Many other areas in 
research require more specialized training than would be used in a routine 
area. I would also add some really great techs are in many phases of 
research. I know MT who work in Histology and are not registered as the MT 
BS, overrides the HT requirement for many institutions.
>
> Many factors must be considered for both research and routine Histology 
that cover far more than just hiring registered people in certain areas of 
the laboratory.
>
> Pam Marcum
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
>
> Do employers consider lab techs to be proficient enough? I've been doing 
ISH and immuno for 13 years, but I'm not certified as I do research. Maybe 
there aren't a lot of lab techs out there? Just wondering since you might 
be missing someone awesome by hiring only certified people.
>
> "By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of 
their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new 
story for their lives. Move forward."
>
> -Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM, joelle weaver <joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com<
mailto:joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com>>wrote:
>
> > All I have is a "histology assistant" description I put together. It
> > is mostly clerical, instrument up keep and other duties. My employer
> > does not hire uncertified techs- due to CLIA license, grossing, FISH &
> > molecular duties ( high complexity). I hope to be a clinical site
> > eventually, and then they will have to complete their certification
> > within one year -if they are hired on.
> > If you think that will help, I can send it on.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 15:39:12 -0500
> > > From: delsuec <@t> gmail.com<mailto:delsuec <@t> gmail.com>
> > > To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu<
mailto:histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
> > > Subject: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm wondering if anyone can share a job description for an
> > > unregistered
> > HT
> > > position. I also need to know if unregistered HT's are allowed to
> > > cut frozen sections. I know there is a limit to what they can do,
> > > especially where IHC and special staining are concerned, but I
> > > really don't know
> > about
> > > frozens, since it's a lot like regular microtomy, except for the H&E
> > > staining of the slide. I also understand that facilities might have
> > > different descriptions, but what I'm really looking for is what CAP
> > allows
> > > them to do.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help,
> > >
> > > Deloris Carter, HT(ASCP)
> > > SMMC
> > > Shawnee, KS
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