[Histonet] Uneven Staining - Update

[Elizabeth Cameron]

This morning I decided to pH our DI water, which came out higher than it should.  I then did an experiment where I cut a kidney and floated it on three water baths - one a bit basic, one a bit acidic, and one neutral.  I cut two sections for each waterbath - one was picked up right away, and the other sat for 10 minutes (we occasionally need to let the kidneys sit to remove wrinkles, although not generally this long).  There was no difference between the sections that were picked up immediately and those that sat in the neutral waterbath.  The sections from the acidic waterbath did not stain well either way.  The sections from the basic water bath stained fine if they were picked up immediately, but did not stain well after sitting for 10 minutes, so I think we’ve figured out the problem.

Thanks for all the great suggestions!  It's so nice having access to so many knowledgeable histotechs when these strange issues arise!

-Liz

-----Original Message-----
From: Cristi Rigazio [mailto:cls71877 <@t> gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:01 PM
To: Rene J Buesa
Cc: Elizabeth Cameron; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Uneven Staining

As most other bases have been covered, do you leave space between the slides in the rack?  Once in a blue moon we had stains from the same rack that differed in intensity, after much troubleshooting we started putting space between the slides and we haven't had the problem since.  Just an idea.
Cristi

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On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Rene J Buesa <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com> wrote:

> This is quite a puzzling situation.
> You have ruled out dewaxing (that was my first idea of cause) but I do not think that soaking will be the problem because the sections are fixed and infiltrated with paraffin, so there is no possibility of "diluting" in water.
> Thick/thin sections in a series is a very rare occurrence so I am also at a loss with this problem. Weak staining solutions could cause it but all sections in a series will be equally weak.
> Just in case, since you have covered the dewaxing, issue do the following: do not leave the sections too long in the water bath and dry them in the oven as soon as they are drained.
> René J.
> 
> From: Elizabeth Cameron <Elizabeth.Cameron <@t> jax.org>
> To: "histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu" 
> <histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:35 PM
> Subject: [Histonet] Uneven Staining
> 
> About a year ago, I posted about issues with staining mouse kidney 
> sections (see below for original post).  We realized that part of the problem was the sections drying during staining, which has been resolved, but we are still having some issues with some slides staining well and others being very pale.  This time it seems to be consistent across the slide, so I know it is not a drying issue.  They are serial sections, so they are all cut together and stained together, and they are from the same animal.  I don't believe deparaffinization is an issue - we have tried longer times with fresh solutions and it doesn't make a difference.  We have also tried re-staining the slides after letting them sit in xylene overnight, and there is no difference in the staining.  I am now thinking that it may be related to how long the sections soak or how long they sit on the waterbath.  They are NBF fixed, and there is a fine line between soaking well for hydration and oversoaking, resulting in swelling.  Has anyone experienced anything like this?  Any other ideas?  I am at a loss, and I'd really like for this to work!
> Thanks,
> Liz
> 
> We are doing a Hale's colloidal iron stain (no counterstain) on serial sections of mouse kidneys.  We are staining an entire kidney at a time (about 90-150 slides), and after many successful runs, we are now finding some slides in each batch with very uneven staining.  Half of a section will stain as it should, and the rest of the section is very pale.  It seems to be in a similar area from one section to the next, but not exactly the same area.  It does not look like a deparaffinization issue.  There may be two or three slides in a row like this, or just one section on a slide, followed by 30-40 that look fine.  The sections are 6 microns. Any ideas on why this might be happening?  Thanks!
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