[Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments

[Peter Carroll]

 > yes, I fully admit that there was some component of publicity. 
However, I do feel like it was 90/10 or 80/20 knowledge vs publicity.

I guess that's the problem. As a non-commercial list, the ratio should 
be more like 100/0.

 > I don't know if you're from Ventana or Daka or whomever

I'm "from" neither and actually use no products by either of those 
vendors, nor yours. I joined Histonet to give/get histology advice on 
protocols and laboratory procedure, not to constantly be barraged- both 
on and off list- by vendors trying to push their products, no matter how 
subtly.

Although they may not violate any specific "letter of the law" on 
Histonet, commercial posts or tie-ins, no matter how tasteful or 
friendly, do definitely violate the "spirit" of the list, at least in my 
eyes.

Just my two cents...




Michael Mihalik wrote:
> Sheila, I apologize to you and Peter and to whomever else I have offended.  
>
> I view Histonet as a place where people can go for knowledge and where
> people can share their experiences.
>
> I was trying to share my experience with LIS systems and information system
> technology in general.  I do admit that I had one paragraph in there about
> our own product, but I was trying to illustrate a point.  I thought I had
> spent a bit of time talking about Ventana and Dako and as you've read my
> other posts, you've seen me mention Leica and others as well.  I always talk
> about things from an information technology perspective.  That's what I do
> and that's what I believe I am good at.  I don't know if you're from Ventana
> or Daka or whomever, but please notice that I stated I have no problems with
> what you guys are doing.  In fact, I applaud you for filling a very needed
> role in the industry.  In other posts I've perhaps compared Leica and
> Ventana, but I've only done so from an information
> technology/interface/labeling perspective.  I know very little about the
> chemistry involved and therefore I am not qualified to say which instrument
> is better suited for the task.
>
> I think everyone should ask more of their LIS vendors.  In that way everyone
> benefits.  But, how do people know what to ask for if they don't know that
> certain things are possible.  I was hoping to encourage people to ask for
> further functionality from their LIS vendors... and yes, I fully admit that
> there was some component of publicity.  However, I do feel like it was 90/10
> or 80/20 knowledge vs publicity.
>
> So, please forgive me I offended anyone, but I still think there are a lot
> of information technology aspects that people are not aware of and that a
> majority of people would like to learn about.  Everyone will notice that I
> always publish all of my contact information and my company name.  I'm not
> trying to 'sneak something' by anyone.  Competition is good for everyone.
> Is it not? 
>
>
> And finally, Sheila, I wouldn't call you 'wrong'.  You've got an opinion and
> I respect it.  I just disagree.  I'll shut up now, and if you or anyone else
> would like to talk to me please feel free to do so.  (My contact information
> is below, but to make my email address more obvious, it is
> mike <@t> pathview.com)
>
>
> P.S.  We're at APIII at the end of September.  NSH is roughly 2 weeks after
> that.  It's hard for us to be at both conferences and APIII is more computer
> oriented so we thought it would be a better fit for us.  If you happen to be
> there, please come by.  You don't even have to mention your name.  I'd love
> to hear some comments on our system.  The more we hear, the better our
> system will become.
>
>
> Michael Mihalik
> PathView Systems | cell: 214.733.7688 | 800.798.3540 | fax: 952.241.7369
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tapper, Sheila J. [mailto:STapper <@t> smdc.org] 
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:39 AM
> To: Michael Mihalik; Mahoney,Janice A; Cordova, Jean;
> histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments
>
> Hi Michael, 
>
> I have been reading with great curiosity your postings on Histonet.  Other
> vendors have been shot in the knees for doing what you appear to be doing!
> You are openly soliciting!  
>
> I personally don't care to read your opinions about the various LIS and LEAN
> based systems that are available - only because I view you as a direct
> competitor!  Your system may be as great you tell us - but I see it as a
> sales pitch. 
>
> If you want to sell to histologists - you had best be at NSH.  That would
> allow histologists to view your product right next to your competitors.  
>
> I may be wrong, and if I am please correct me.  
>
> Sheila
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael
> Mihalik
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:58 AM
> To: 'Mahoney,Janice A'; 'Cordova, Jean'; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments
>
> Jan, we'll be at APIII in 10 days so it's going to be hard to turn around
> and be at NSH, but we're trying.  I'd be very happy to get your and other
> people's opinion of our system.  We think we have a very straight forward
> and comprehensive approach to workflow processing.   It's really an unfair,
> but very simple advantage that we have.  We built our system from the ground
> up with workflow in mind.  Other vendors built their systems years ago and
> over the years they've more or less just added on.  I don't know if you've
> ever been in the Northeast, but have you ever seen those farmhouses that are
> a hundred or two years old.  You can see where each occupant just added on
> to the house.  It's a big difference when you can initially build the house
> to provide the needed amount of living space.  Our software looks like that
> compared to other vendors.
>
> Let me fully respond to your Vantage comment.  (and btw, if anyone knows a
> ballpark for Vantage, please email me privately.)
>
> I'll start out with one of those SHOUTED statements.
>
> I HATE Vantage and products of that ilk.  Now, let me explain.
>
> I love WHAT Vantage does.  I just really, really think it all belongs in the
> LIS.  All this tracking and audit information needs to be in ONE system.
> Having two systems means two purchasing costs, two systems to maintain, two
> systems to look into while you're trying to track down a problem, and on and
> on and on.
>
> The reason Ventana and Dako and others can sell this product is because LIS
> vendors have been slow to adopt these changes themselves.  Not to toot our
> own horn too loud, but all this data is contained in our system.  In fact,
> all this data is in ONE query screen not multiple screens.  That's another
> thing that drives me nuts -- 10,000 tabs or screens to see data.  Show me
> the things that I am most likely interested in in a query screen and make
> other things like audit or tracking information a quick click away.  Most of
> the times when I query for results I need to see results.  Show those
> results to me and only those results.  However, when I need something more,
> don't make me go to some other tab or menu or something else that I need to
> use multiple clicks or tabs or whatever the heck it is.  One click to see
> tracking information, period.  
>
> I went on that 'rant' to prove a point.  With Vantage, you can't do this in
> one simple click because it's a separate system.
>
> Now, is it better than nothing?  Sure, it is.  If I was you and I was stuck
> on my existing LIS, I'd probably go for Vantage because it's cheaper than a
> new system, but to be honest, I'm not even sure of that.  I know Vantage is
> expensive.  I just don't know 'how' expensive.  
>
> Finally, don't get me wrong.  I'm not mad or upset with Ventana or Dako or
> whomever.  They're doing a good job filling a niche.  If I'm upset with
> anyone, it's the LIS vendors.  Of course, they're my competitors, so in a
> way I'm happy.
>
> Thank you all for listening.
>
>
>
> Michael Mihalik
> PathView Systems | cell: 214.733.7688 | 800.798.3540 | fax: 952.241.7369
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mahoney,Janice A [mailto:Janice.Mahoney <@t> alegent.org] 
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:01 AM
> To: 'Michael Mihalik'; 'Cordova, Jean'; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments
>
> Cerner Millennium
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Mihalik [mailto:mike <@t> pathview.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:31 AM
> To: Mahoney,Janice A; 'Cordova, Jean'; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments
>
> Janice, may I ask whom you have for your LIS?
>
>
> Michael Mihalik
> PathView Systems | cell: 214.733.7688 | 800.798.3540 | fax: 952.241.7369
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mahoney,Janice A [mailto:Janice.Mahoney <@t> alegent.org]
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:14 AM
> To: 'Michael Mihalik'; 'Cordova, Jean'; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments
>
>
> We have Ventana IHC instruments and Ventana Vantage for labeling, tracking,
> QA, workload stats, etc, etc.  It allows for  the best process flow you can
> imagine.  I'm very into "processes" and this system will reduce if not
> eliminate your errors.  We were already a LEAN lab and with the addition of
> Vantage we reduced TAT by about 30% and virtually eliminated labeling
> errors.
> I'd suggest looking into Vantage before I'd venture into more costly
> interfaces that will just get you a label that can be read by an instrument.
> Vantage will give you so much more.  Check it out.
> Jan Mahoney
> Omaha, NE
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael
> Mihalik
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:40 PM
> To: 'Cordova, Jean'; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments
>
> Actually, Jean it's a different story for Leica.
>
> With Ventana you HAVE to use THEIR labels.  That's not the case with Leica.
> Succinctly, this means that you can use your LIS labels on a slide and the
> Lecia will read them and that's that.
>
> On the Ventana equipment, the slide MUST have the VENTANA slide label on the
> slide.  Some powerpath users have gotten the powerpath barcode on the
> Ventana slide label and we're about to try and  place our LIS slide label on
> the back of the slide.
>
>
> Purely, and I mean PURELY, from a labeling process, I would argue that the
> Leica is better suited for process flow.
>
>
> Michael Mihalik
> PathView Systems | cell: 214.733.7688 | 800.798.3540 | fax: 952.241.7369
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Cordova,
> Jean
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:17 PM
> To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments
>
> While our lab doesn't have the Ventana stainer I am assuming that the
> principle is the same for the Leica Bond.  We are using slide labels
> generated from PowerPath on our slides for the Bond
> Immunostainer.without any issues.  We do have an interface in place.
>
>
>
> Jean Cordova HT/HTL (ASCP)
>
> Pathology Manager
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> Northwest Pathology Services LLC
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> 541-341-8039
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