[Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments

Fri Sep 11 10:39:18 CDT 2009

Hi Michael, 

I have been reading with great curiosity your postings on Histonet.  Other vendors have been shot in the knees for doing what you appear to be doing!   You are openly soliciting!  

I personally don't care to read your opinions about the various LIS and LEAN based systems that are available - only because I view you as a direct competitor!  Your system may be as great you tell us - but I see it as a sales pitch. 

If you want to sell to histologists - you had best be at NSH.  That would allow histologists to view your product right next to your competitors.  

I may be wrong, and if I am please correct me.  

Sheila

-----Original Message-----
From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Mihalik
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:58 AM
To: 'Mahoney,Janice A'; 'Cordova, Jean'; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments

Jan, we'll be at APIII in 10 days so it's going to be hard to turn around
and be at NSH, but we're trying.  I'd be very happy to get your and other
people's opinion of our system.  We think we have a very straight forward
and comprehensive approach to workflow processing.   It's really an unfair,
but very simple advantage that we have.  We built our system from the ground
up with workflow in mind.  Other vendors built their systems years ago and
over the years they've more or less just added on.  I don't know if you've
ever been in the Northeast, but have you ever seen those farmhouses that are
a hundred or two years old.  You can see where each occupant just added on
to the house.  It's a big difference when you can initially build the house
to provide the needed amount of living space.  Our software looks like that
compared to other vendors.

Let me fully respond to your Vantage comment.  (and btw, if anyone knows a
ballpark for Vantage, please email me privately.)

I'll start out with one of those SHOUTED statements.

I HATE Vantage and products of that ilk.  Now, let me explain.

I love WHAT Vantage does.  I just really, really think it all belongs in the
LIS.  All this tracking and audit information needs to be in ONE system.
Having two systems means two purchasing costs, two systems to maintain, two
systems to look into while you're trying to track down a problem, and on and
on and on.

The reason Ventana and Dako and others can sell this product is because LIS
vendors have been slow to adopt these changes themselves.  Not to toot our
own horn too loud, but all this data is contained in our system.  In fact,
all this data is in ONE query screen not multiple screens.  That's another
thing that drives me nuts -- 10,000 tabs or screens to see data.  Show me
the things that I am most likely interested in in a query screen and make
other things like audit or tracking information a quick click away.  Most of
the times when I query for results I need to see results.  Show those
results to me and only those results.  However, when I need something more,
don't make me go to some other tab or menu or something else that I need to
use multiple clicks or tabs or whatever the heck it is.  One click to see
tracking information, period.  

I went on that 'rant' to prove a point.  With Vantage, you can't do this in
one simple click because it's a separate system.

Now, is it better than nothing?  Sure, it is.  If I was you and I was stuck
on my existing LIS, I'd probably go for Vantage because it's cheaper than a
new system, but to be honest, I'm not even sure of that.  I know Vantage is
expensive.  I just don't know 'how' expensive.  

Finally, don't get me wrong.  I'm not mad or upset with Ventana or Dako or
whomever.  They're doing a good job filling a niche.  If I'm upset with
anyone, it's the LIS vendors.  Of course, they're my competitors, so in a
way I'm happy.

Thank you all for listening.

Michael Mihalik
PathView Systems | cell: 214.733.7688 | 800.798.3540 | fax: 952.241.7369

-----Original Message-----
From: Mahoney,Janice A [mailto:Janice.Mahoney <@t> alegent.org] 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:01 AM
To: 'Michael Mihalik'; 'Cordova, Jean'; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments

Cerner Millennium

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Mihalik [mailto:mike <@t> pathview.com]
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:31 AM
To: Mahoney,Janice A; 'Cordova, Jean'; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments

Janice, may I ask whom you have for your LIS?

Michael Mihalik
PathView Systems | cell: 214.733.7688 | 800.798.3540 | fax: 952.241.7369

-----Original Message-----
From: Mahoney,Janice A [mailto:Janice.Mahoney <@t> alegent.org]
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:14 AM
To: 'Michael Mihalik'; 'Cordova, Jean'; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments

We have Ventana IHC instruments and Ventana Vantage for labeling, tracking,
QA, workload stats, etc, etc.  It allows for  the best process flow you can
imagine.  I'm very into "processes" and this system will reduce if not
eliminate your errors.  We were already a LEAN lab and with the addition of
Vantage we reduced TAT by about 30% and virtually eliminated labeling
errors.
I'd suggest looking into Vantage before I'd venture into more costly
interfaces that will just get you a label that can be read by an instrument.
Vantage will give you so much more.  Check it out.
Jan Mahoney
Omaha, NE

-----Original Message-----
From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael
Mihalik
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:40 PM
To: 'Cordova, Jean'; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments

Actually, Jean it's a different story for Leica.

With Ventana you HAVE to use THEIR labels.  That's not the case with Leica.
Succinctly, this means that you can use your LIS labels on a slide and the
Lecia will read them and that's that.

On the Ventana equipment, the slide MUST have the VENTANA slide label on the
slide.  Some powerpath users have gotten the powerpath barcode on the
Ventana slide label and we're about to try and  place our LIS slide label on
the back of the slide.

Purely, and I mean PURELY, from a labeling process, I would argue that the
Leica is better suited for process flow.

Michael Mihalik
PathView Systems | cell: 214.733.7688 | 800.798.3540 | fax: 952.241.7369

-----Original Message-----
From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Cordova,
Jean
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:17 PM
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments

While our lab doesn't have the Ventana stainer I am assuming that the
principle is the same for the Leica Bond.  We are using slide labels
generated from PowerPath on our slides for the Bond
Immunostainer.without any issues.  We do have an interface in place.

Jean Cordova HT/HTL (ASCP)

Pathology Manager

Northwest Pathology Services LLC

541-341-8039

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