[Histonet] Practical Exam

Fri Feb 20 15:11:19 CST 2009

Hi,

This has nothing to do with Bill or you Tom however, when the practical was
still being given people did come on histonet and ask for tissue in blocks
and help finishing the exam.  It was not a good thing and showed that some
people were not able to acquire the tissues needed or were not looking for
them.  Since I saw this several times and many of us were upset about it, I
can say at least a few people did not do their own if they could avoid it.
I don't remember names or locations so please don't ask for them.  

Pamela A Marcum
University of Pennsylvania 
School of Veterinary Medicine
Comparative Orthopedic Laboratory (CORL)
382 W Street Rd
Kennett Square PA 19438
610-925-6278

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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Podawiltz,
Thomas
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:57 PM
To: rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com; Histonet; O'Donnell, Bill
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Practical Exam

Rene, I can't and won't put words into Bill's mouth, especially since we
have known each other for almost 30 years, but I think his question was, was
there really a problem with  people turning in someone else's work as their
own. Where are the facts that it even happen?

Tom Podawiltz, HT (ASCP)
Histology Section Head/Laboratory Safety Officer
LRGHealthcare
603-524-3211 ext: 3220
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Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:36 PM
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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Practical Exam

Bill:
In my time when you accepted somebody else doing YOUR job and YOU being
remunerated or accredited for it was called CHEATING and that is a moral
turpitude issue, and really a problem, not as you say that was "not much of
a problem"!.
René J.

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, O'Donnell, Bill <billodonnell <@t> catholichealth.net>
wrote:

From: O'Donnell, Bill <billodonnell <@t> catholichealth.net>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Practical Exam
To: "Histonet" <Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 11:00 AM

If, indeed, these were the two primary reasons for eliminating the practical
exam, they are weak and lazy reasons. An increase in the fee to apply would
cover costs, and, well, was it really that much of a problem of people doing
other peoples practicals.

I can't imagine it to be out of proportion to what might (I emphasize
"might" and add "but likely did not") have occurred
sporadically in all the years prior.

I won't pass judgement on a single source, but would love to hear from
someone who was a part of the decision process that eliminated this
practicum.

However, if it is true, my estimation of the ASCP has grossly deteriorated.

William (Bill) O'Donnell, HT (ASCP) QIHC
Lead Histologist
Good Samaritan Hospital
10 East 31st Street
Kearney, NE 68847

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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:01 AM
To: Victor Tobias; Histonet; Rittman, Barry R
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Practical Exam

There were 2 fundamental reasons why ASCP eliminated the practical part of
the
examination:
1- they got to the conclusion that there was no way to determine if the
person
sending the slides was the one who really made them, and
2- it was getting too costly to send the slides to review or to gather the
reviewers to qualify the sections, so they decided to eliminate the
practical
and made the changes we have now (renewal and CEU).
René J.

--- On Thu, 2/19/09, Rittman, Barry R <Barry.R.Rittman <@t> uth.tmc.edu>
wrote:

From: Rittman, Barry R <Barry.R.Rittman <@t> uth.tmc.edu>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Practical Exam
To: "Victor Tobias" <victor <@t> pathology.washington.edu>,
"Histonet" <Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 6:30 PM

Victor
I cannot believe that you have said this.
Although I did not think that the practical examination was the ultimate
test
of skill ,  it did at least provide some uniformity.
With an extension of the logic that you use it is just as easy to allow the
pathologist to certify that the technician is qualified even without a
written
examination.
Without a somewhat standardized practical there is no guarantee that the
technician will have any practical knowledge outside their individual
laboratory.
Didactic without adequate practical knowledge is, as far as I am concerned,
useless.
What is really needed is a national standardized written and practical test
that is administered by NSH.
I am not holding my breath that this will happen.
Barry

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[histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Victor Tobias
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Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 5:03 PM
To: Histonet
Subject: [Histonet] Practical Exam

There has been discussion regarding the removal of the practical exam.
To me it has not been removed, but the responsibility has shifted to
whomever
signs off on the student. In the case of OJT, the pathologist has verified
that
this student can cut and stain. Of course what is acceptable to one
pathologist
may not be to another. Do they get tested in the art of troubleshooting.....
As
far as the schools go, they shouldn't be graduating anyone that can't
cut, stain and troubleshoot.
So I don't really see a problem with the absence of the practical. It is
Friday somewhere.

Victor

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