[Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology

Thu Feb 12 17:26:30 CST 2009

	FUEL to the FIRE (come on, it's me. Did you expect anything less?)
I was told today that the Histology program at the local CC is in jeopardy
of closing because the director (who is a MT) isn't supporting the program.
The program director has talked to the Dean and a meeting is to take place
next month: hopefully with local employers attending to state the point that
this program is needed.. San Antonio is in dire need of techs such that,
some techs are jumping from job to job for the most money. In my last place
of employment, I hired HTs at first, then ran out of techs. Then I hired
recent grads with the understanding that they would take the HT. My last
hire at the last place was a lab aide, who files slides, coverslipped, etc.
Before I left, we had him running special stains, embedding and cutting. We
sat with him at the microscope to go over the special stains reactions, the
chemicals and dyes that made the "colors". He was surpassing some of the
more experienced techs that have been working there for a longer period of
time.
	My point is, registered or not, the fact is techs are in short
supply, with good techs even fewer. I've seen some registered techs that I
won't let touch a pimple on my left buttock, but this guy I was teaching
could cut my prostate bxs, that's is how much faith I had in him.
	There is a wide rip in the PA world between "programmed trained" and
"OJT trained" such that a member wrote a letter to the newsletter and said
he was withdrawing his membership because he felt that since the ASCP took
over the PA exam, there are less qualified PAs now because the ASCP made the
exam too easy.
	This question has gone on for years. I went for my certifications
because an old supervisor gave me the challenge that I wouldn't pass it,
funny, that's what some people said about me when I took my PA exam too. The
truth is, most of us are reaching the age where we need good histology.
Although I would like it if everyone was certified, but the fact is as long
as pathologists are willing to hire unregistered techs, this is a battle
that goes on. 
	Oh, by the way, I was discussing this same thing at a lecture one
time. In the audience was a histology program director, who at break, went
up to the other guy I was lecturing with, that she didn't agree with what I
was saying. He told her that what I was saying was the truth( that there are
many techs and PAs working who are not certified). She decided to pull
herself and her students out of my class. Now, I was not advocating that
people not get certified, I was saying that there are many out there who are
not. She even went to complain the president, vice-president and the program
coordinator about my lecture. My best buddy, Hector, was also there. After
she left, the president told Hector to tell me to tone it down some. Hector
said, "he won't listen to me". The president responded," why not? You're his
best friend". Hector replied," because it's Joe".
	I'm going out for a run now.

Joe Nocito, BS, PA, HT (ASCP) QIHC
San Antonio, TX

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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Tim
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:57 AM
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Subject: RE: [Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology

Uh oh, here we go....again!

It's just demand and economics in most areas. In the San Francisco area good
luck finding a certified tech. They can command 70K with minimal experience,
which is what Kaiser and the UC medical center are paying. I know one woman
who was working for a service lab in the area who wanted to work on her
certification but her pathologist refused to sponsor her because he figured
if she got it she would leave for a place that would pay her higher salary
(seems like that ought to cause to lose a medical license!). Bad move: he
lost her anyway.

We have found that recent college grads are fully capable of the work (at
least in our area, which demands a lot of indepent work and thinking). What
is missing with most OJT is the breadth of education you get when you study
for the certification. I know plenty of people who cut well, do stains well
etc, but are lost outside the specialties of their particular laboratory,
and even outside their own little area of their own lab! But, we could also
discuss the breadth of knowledge of those lucky enough to be educated in a
formal school setting vs OJT and then certified. It goes on and on....

Tim Morken

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Steven
Coakley
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:56 AM
To: Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology

Any thoughts or experiences with my fellow HT/HTL's(ASCP).  What the big
advantage do all these facilities think there gaining by going with
unregistered techs, especially when theres always ongoing quality issues
when theres so many trained certified HT looking for work?  In my area of
the country I can't believe how many Hospitals go this way.

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