[Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology

Wed Feb 11 13:57:34 CST 2009

Ditto

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, DDittus787 <@t> aol.com wrote:

> Well Tom they can throw me on the fire with you!!! I agree  I came  thru an
> MT program ,OJT for Histology (some MT stuff helped) got my Bachelors  later
> and finally got my MBA- but I have been working a great deal with the "new
> grads" from colleges and while they are very nice, I have to say some OJT would
> have been a great deal more helpful, than being able to get an A on a test! I
> know generations are different but what are they being told in these
> colleges???  Where is work ethic, realistic work expectations? We are in healthcare not
> banking thank goodness! Take me back to the good old days when we were by
> the  docs side and learned everyday. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for listening.
>
> Dana Dittus MT/HT MBA
> Core Lab Administrator
> UHS LLC
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> In a message dated 2/11/2009 1:56:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> TMcNemar <@t> lmhealth.org writes:
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> I'm sure  that I'm gonna get blasted but......
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> I'm sorry but I stand by the  statement.  I have been a certified HT for 30
> years now.  I will  take an uncertified tech who can get a quality slide to the
> pathologist in a  timely fashion over one who can tell me about it but can't
> do it.  We all  know that they are out there.
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> Yes, perhaps the "lure" was insufficient  but that is out of my control and
> irrelevant.  The bottom line is that  none were willing to accept what I had to
> offer.
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> Certification does not  make a good histo tech.  Certification is a stamp of
> validation.  It  says that someone passed a test so they must be good.  There
> are many  very good uncertified people in histology.
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> Certification lost  some of its validity when they did away with the
> practical part.  I would  prefer to have someone who can actually do the work and not
> just talk about  it.
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> Given my choice, I would love to have all certified techs but I  live in the
> real world and it's not likely to happen in my remaining  time.  Everyone
> talks of quality like it comes magically from having a  piece of paper.  It don't.
> Quality comes from experience and  practical training.  And in the long run,
> that paper has very little to  do with it.
>
> Let the flamming begin!
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> Tom McNemar, HT(ASCP)
> Histology Co-ordinator
> Licking Memorial Health Systems
> (740)  348-4163
> (740) 348-4166
> tmcnemar <@t> lmhealth.org
> www.LMHealth.org
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rene J Buesa  [mailto:rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:12  PM
> To: Larry Woody; Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Steven Coakley; Tom
> McNemar
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] uncertified techs in  Histology
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> Tom:
> All you have written is understandable EXCEPT  that "it doesn't take an
> advanced degree to do histology", that reflects the  old assumption that "if you
> know how to cook or to knit you can do histology".
> That is an unacceptable position now when patient care should be a major
> concern. I agree that a lab assistant  does not need to be certified as  long as
> the work is limited to "assist" or do things other than working with  patient
> samples.
> Perhaps the "lure" you used was not "tasteful" enough (not  enough money or
> benefits).
> HTs occupy the worst paid echelon in the medical  lab and will never get of
> that stratum unless all are certified and those who  hire them show the proper
> respect for their work.
> René J.
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> --- On  Wed, 2/11/09, Tom McNemar <TMcNemar <@t> lmhealth.org>  wrote:
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> From: Tom McNemar <TMcNemar <@t> lmhealth.org>
> Subject:  RE: [Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology
> To: "Larry Woody"  <slappycraw <@t> yahoo.com>, rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com,
> Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu, "Steven Coakley"  <sjchtascp <@t> yahoo.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 11:36  AM
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> Perhaps in a perfect world....  My world is less than  perfect.  For our last
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> opening, we spent 10 months trying to find  and lure a certified tech to our
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> facility and then gave up and took an  MLT.  We have four techs and two of us
> are
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> certified HTs.  We  recently hired a person off the street and trained them
> to be
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> a  histology assistant.  It has been very beneficial for us.  She files
> slides,
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> covers the late grossing (assists the pathologist), coverslips,  etc.
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> It doesn't take an advanced degree to do histology.   You gotta do what you
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> gotta do to get the work out.
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> Tom  McNemar, HT(ASCP)
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> Histology Co-ordinator
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> Licking Memorial Health  Systems
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> (740) 348-4163
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> (740)  348-4166
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> tmcnemar <@t> lmhealth.org
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> www.LMHealth.org
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> -----Original  Message-----
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> From:  histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
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> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On  Behalf Of Larry
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> Woody
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:10  AM
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> To: rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com; Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Steven  Coakley
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> Subject: Re: [Histonet] uncertified techs in  Histology
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> This has been an ongoing issue for so many  years in histology, I've always
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> wanted to see a mandatory license in  the field but that always starts a
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> firestorm of controversy. If you  have surgery, you certainly want a board
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> certified surgeon to do it and  same with the Pathologist that looks at the
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> slides so wouldn't you want  a certified tech doing the lab work as well?
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> Larry A.  Woody
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> Seattle,  Wa.
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> From:  Rene J Buesa <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>
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> To:  Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Steven  Coakley
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> <sjchtascp <@t> yahoo.com>
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> Sent: Wednesday, February  11, 2009 7:58:26 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Histonet] uncertified techs in  Histology
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> A hospital that relies on uncertified techs to do  histology work is motivated
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> by the pursue of costs cuts (you can call  it greed!) and shows
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> total disregard for quality of work and patient  care. They may end losing all
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> those savings when settling a legal  case.
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> René J.
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> --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Steven Coakley  <sjchtascp <@t> yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Steven Coakley  <sjchtascp <@t> yahoo.com>
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> Subject: [Histonet] uncertified techs in  Histology
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> To: Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
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> Date: Wednesday,  February 11, 2009, 9:55 AM
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> Any thoughts or experiences with my  fellow HT/HTL's(ASCP).  What the big
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> advantage do all these  facilities think there gaining by going with
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> unregistered
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> techs,  especially when theres always ongoing quality issues when theres so
> many
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> trained certified HT looking for work?  In my area of the  country I can't
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> believe how many Hospitals go this  way.
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