[Histonet] Bachelor's Degrees

Anne van Binsbergen annigyg <@t> gmail.com
Sun Dec 6 02:04:20 CST 2009

my sympathies

here in the UAE, in the emirate of Abu Dhabi health care is governed by HAAD
(Health Authority of Abu Dhabi)
I have a licence issued in South Africa (accepted here)

I am also the only person setting the HAAD licencing exam for Histotechs (in
the emirate of AD) for all private labs
HAAD now need all techs to be licenced in the emirate (like a state or a
province) in which they work and so they are slowly issuing these coveted

as the only recognised 'authority' who single-handedly sets and marks the
HAAD Histology licence exam and passes/fails candidates, one would think
that I should be automatically granted a HAAD licence...

not so... they will issue my licence determined by the position I hold in
the organisation which employs me and because my title has changed (NOT my
job discription) they will now re-assess my credentials!!

so dont complain guys - I think my confusion is greater than yours!!!


2009/12/6 Rene J Buesa <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>

> Even if it is a totally frustrating issue, it does not matter what we think
> or wish should happen.
> The problem resides in how the state resolution that instituted the NY
> licensure was redacted. That is the regulation we wanted or not, no matter
> how unfair or even stupid it may be.
> The problem does not reside in the states having licensures, but how under
> what rules they are created. Once those rules are adopted, it is almost
> impossible to change them.
> So, unfortunately, you will have to follow their rules, you like it or not.
> René J.
> --- On Sat, 12/5/09, godsgalnow <@t> aol.com <godsgalnow <@t> aol.com> wrote:
> From: godsgalnow <@t> aol.com <godsgalnow <@t> aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Histonet] Bachelor's Degrees
> To: "Thomas Jasper" <tjasper <@t> copc.net>,
> histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu, "Nathan Jentsch" <
> njblademaster <@t> gmail.com>
> Cc: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 4:16 PM
> It is a capitalist environment.  If you are ht through ASCP that should be
> all that counts.  This is a way for states to collect extra funds
> Roxanne
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Thomas Jasper" <tjasper <@t> copc.net>
> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:23:29
> To: Nathan Jentsch<njblademaster <@t> gmail.com>
> Cc: <histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Bachelor's Degrees
> One more reason to consider "carefully" before throwing support to state
> licensure where it does not exist.  I feel sorry for you Nathan and I'd
> like to have someone explain the upside of licensing to you.  It seems
> it's not about having a license (like a driver's license) to practice
> histology.  I fear it's just more about fattening state coffers and
> adding another level of bureauracracy to things.
> If you are educated (as you are Nate) and if you are academically
> eligible to sit for the registry exam.  And if you can satisfactorily
> pass the exam, what has state licensing got to do with it?  Are you a
> better histologist in New York because you're "licensed" as opposed to
> your neighbors in PA, for example who aren't?  I think not.
> Does licensing prove something that science degrees and registry
> certifications do not?  Maybe I just don't get it.  And I'm not trying
> to pick a fight here with the supporters of licensing.  I just haven't
> heard a good convincing argument for it yet.  I'm also quite certain
> that even though monetary compensation has improved somewhat, the last
> thing most Histologists need is another payment.  The privilege to work
> in a certain state, which is paid for (by you) nothing more?!
> I suppose some kindly employers out there somewhere could pay for
> it...good luck with that.  Here's an idea, let's say you're degreed and
> registry eligible and/or have passed your board exam(s) and are
> certified.  How 'bout the state says you've met the qualification for
> licensing, here you go!  Nate you are degreed and certified and in my
> book and in the book of the current state I live in - Oregon - and the
> states I've worked in - Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota - you are more
> than qualified to work.  I for one would not hesitate in the least to
> consider a person such as yourself for employment.  Again you are more
> than qualified, even though you are "unlicensed".
> I guess I just don't understand how credentialing - degrees and
> certifications - aren't enough, but licensing is the magic ticket to
> better science/medicine/patient care/whatever.  I'm sure some folks out
> there will bring on the firestorm, but again Nathan I feel sorry for you
> and I don't see the reasoning behind this.
> Tom Jasper
> Thomas Jasper HT (ASCP) BAS
> Histology Supervisor
> Central Oregon Regional Pathology Services
> Bend, Oregon 97701
> 541/693-2677
> tjasper <@t> copc.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Nathan
> Jentsch
> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:46 AM
> To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: [Histonet] Bachelor's Degrees
> Paula,
> Let me tell you that this is an extremely frustrating point for me not
> for getting a job but for getting a license in New York State (which is
> related because I'm technically supposed to have a license to work).
> Despite the fact that I have a B.S. in a science field and have been
> working competently at my job for almost two years now, the state wants
> me to have an A.S. in histotechnology to get my license.  They won't
> even consider HT certification as sufficient.  If a collective group of
> experts in the fields of laboratory science and pathology say I'm
> qualified, why isn't that good enough for a bunch of beurocrats who
> can't even manage the pocket book of our state.
> Nate
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Anne van Binsbergen (Hope)
Abu Dhabi

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