[Histonet] IHC on paraformaldehyde-fixed

Tony Henwood AnthonyH <@t> chw.edu.au
Thu Dec 4 21:29:38 CST 2008


tf wrote:
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"I DO believe that one reason some people use 4% PFA rather 10% formalin is=
 that PFA is a bit more stable, both for storage and transportation~~~."
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I have not heard this before.
Do you have a reference for this?
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	-----Original Message-----
	From: tf [mailto:tifei <@t> foxmail.com]=20
	Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 2:11 PM
	To: Tony Henwood; anh2006 <@t> med.cornell.edu; Jan Shivers; histonet
	Subject: Re: RE: [Histonet] IHC on paraformaldehyde-fixed
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	the basic principles are the same for most cross-linking fixatives and ind=
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	the difference you observed between may due to any other variability, or t=
he co-fixative you used.
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	I DO believe that one reason some people use 4% PFA rather 10% formalin is=
 that PFA is a bit more stable, both for storage and transportation~~~.
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	=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Tony Henwood=20
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	Interesting point.
	Since 10% buffered formalin (made from the concentrated 38%
	formaldehyde) contain about 1% methanol, has it been shown that this has
	a deleterious effect on ANY antigens or are we expecting this worse case
	senario as being the norm?
	I am not aware of any antigens (or antigen-antibody combination) that
	has been badly effected by 10% formalin that is NOT effected by 10%
	formaldehyde. Are you aware of any??
	Regards
	Tony Henwood JP, MSc, BAppSc, GradDipSysAnalys, CT(ASC)
	Laboratory Manager & Senior Scientist
	Tel: 612 9845 3306
	Fax: 612 9845 3318
	the children's hospital at westmead=20
	Cnr Hawkesbury Road and Hainsworth Street, Westmead=20
	Locked Bag 4001, Westmead NSW 2145, AUSTRALIA=20
	-----Original Message-----
	From: anh2006 <@t> med.cornell.edu [mailto:anh2006 <@t> med.cornell.edu]=20
	Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 1:31 AM
	To: Tony Henwood; Jan Shivers; histonet
	Subject: Re: [Histonet] IHC on paraformaldehyde-fixed
	So true. However, be aware that 10% neutral buffered formalin we use has
	methanol in it which may affect certain antigens so there may be some
	difference in staining (hence why for mouse work we now only use 4% PFA
	in pure PBS). It is good to be aware of the other ingredients in your
	fixative solutions, whether commercially prepared or a homemaede recipe,
	as it isn't only the formaldehyde fixative which can make a difference.
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Tony Henwood <AnthonyH <@t> chw.edu.au>
	Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:35:09=20
	To: Jan Shivers<shive003 <@t> umn.edu>;
	histonet<histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
	Subject: RE: [Histonet] IHC on paraformaldehyde-fixed
	Gee I hate the term paraformaldehyde (as many of you probably know)
	This is an example of how confusion of terms can cause unnecessary work.
	Is "4% paraformaldehyde" different from 4 % formaldehyde?
	No
	Should any procedure done to tissues fixed in "4% paraformaldehyde" give
	results different to those fixed in 4% formaldehyde or 10% formalin?=20
	No since they are the same thing.
	As Manoonkitiwongsa and Schultz (Histochem J 34: 365-367, 2002) state
	when paraformaldehyde actually becomes a fixative, it is no longer
	paraformaldehyde by chemistry or fixation capacity. Rather, it is
	formaldehyde in water without methanol or any other stabiliser. Without
	heat and an alkaline environment, paraformaldehyde in water is simply a
	paraformaldehyde suspension with little fixation capacity. If the
	fixative is prepared from paraformaldehyde then it should be termed 4%
	formaldehyde freshly prepared from paraformaldehyde. If a concentrated
	formalin solution (40% formaldehyde) is used, then it should be termed
	10% formalin.
	If you do a search on Histonet for paraformaldehye, you will find that
	this topic has been extensively discussed.
	Regards
	Tony Henwood JP, MSc, BAppSc, GradDipSysAnalys, CT(ASC) Laboratory
	Manager & Senior Scientist
	Tel: 612 9845 3306
	Fax: 612 9845 3318
	the children's hospital at westmead=20
	Cnr Hawkesbury Road and Hainsworth Street, Westmead=20
	Locked Bag 4001, Westmead NSW 2145, AUSTRALIA=20
	-----Original Message-----
	From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
	[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jan
	Shivers
	Sent: Thursday, 4 December 2008 8:34 AM
	To: histonet
	Subject: [Histonet] IHC on paraformaldehyde-fixed
	Has anyone ever done IHC on parafomaldehyde-fixed tissues, and if so,
	how well did it work?  Will the same antigen-retrieval methods used with
	formalin-fixed tissue be applicable?
	I'm asking for an investigator, who already has his tissues fixed in
	paraformaldehyde.
	Jan Shivers
	Senior Scientist
	Pathology Teaching Program
	Histology/IHC/EM Section Head
	University of Minnesota
	Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory
	1333 Gortner Ave.
	St. Paul, MN  55108
	612-624-7297
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