[Histonet] [EXTERNAL]Re: Premaking slides

Thu Apr 25 17:30:22 CDT 2024

Hello Karen:

At my institution, which is a teaching facility and a level one trauma center, these are scheduled. The pathologists felt this was best for patient safety. The slides are labeled per procedure and not labeled before so we don’t have a lot of slides labeled. We have trained the staff collecting to inform us of location change when they come out with the sample. This helps our staff tremendously. I hope this helps.

Will Cavett, II

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Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: [Histonet] Premaking slides

I mean, you're not going to hand the pathologist an unlabelled slide, obviously.

This leaves you two options, label the slide before the tissue is on it, or afterward.  Labelling the slide before is easier and quicker.

I'm gonna label my slides *immediately* before cutting the frozen, or squishing the tissue.  Patient name at the very least, if it hasn't been accessioned yet.

But you don't want to leave any labeled blank slides laying around, that's asking for trouble.  If you label too many slides, for instance, discard them immediately.

If you are doing multiple cases at once, you are doing it wrong.  I know a lot of places operate like this, but frozens are supposed to be scheduled for a reason.  I mean, you might get an occasional emergency frozen for an ectopic pregnancy, but that's rare.

There is a scheduler in surgery, they should be doing their job.  Or maybe the head of Pathology needs to talk to the head of Surgery and explain how risky it is to be dealing with multiple frozens at once.  Especially if it's the same tissue type.

I'll probably get a lot of flak for this viewpoint, "Oh that's impossible at my institution!".  But it's not.  I've dealt with this as manager at several institutions and it can be fixed.  It's not going to make you any
friends in Surgery, but it's ultimately about patient safety.   It's just
that most hospitals are terrified of surgeons and will let them do whatever they want.

How about the surgeon that leaves the building before the pathologist calls the results back?  That's my favorite.

Jay A. Lundgren, M.S., HTL (ASCP)

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 3:31 PM Karen Schieberl CA-San Francisco < Karen.Schieberl at commonspirit.org> wrote:

> This does apply to Frozen and Touch preps.
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>> You mean for frozens?
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>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 12:44 PM Karen Schieberl CA-San Francisco via
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>>> Good Morning,
>>> I am not sure if there is a CAP or Joint commission Policy on pre
>>> making slides for intraoperative consultation.  Can someone let me know if there
>>> is one?   I have looked but was unable to find one.  It just seems like
>>> errors can be made especially if you have multiple patients or for
>>> some reason the information on the slide does not match the patient.
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen Schieberl HT ASCP
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>>> St. Mary's Medical Center
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