[Histonet] Price for preparing IHC slides

[Lisa Braggs]

Along the same times - anyone having success with getting discounts from IHC vendors? Dako was kind enough to offer us a 2% decrease on the 5% increase they gave us on Jan 1st.  

Creative accounting. 




 
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From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Thompson
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 3:28 PM
To: Michael Farmer
Cc: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Ann Specian
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Price for preparing IHC slides

Read our motto below.  I've worked for the big IHC companies.  Now we will place everything at $10/slide w antibody. Instrument included.


Michael O. Thompson 
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Michael Farmer <michael <@t> mcevoyandfarmer.com> wrote:

>This is a fascinating question, Ann - 
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>I've been studying this topic for the last couple of years in five countries. While I do not yet understand this complex phenomenon as well as I would wish to, these are my impressions about life here in the US. It is a ridiculous tale, but I will tell it to you...
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>The smartest shoppers who have the biggest contracts (you can guess who those might be) are paying $5-10 for their highest-volume slides  - ER, PR, HER-2 and a few others - but more like  $10-15 for most of their menus. The smallest IHC customers think they are paying 20-something per slide, but they are actually paying $30-$40 per slide - and more in many cases.
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>How this discrepancy? Two reasons: first, because the suppliers (I can't quite remember their names right now, please pardon my senior moment) are highly-skilled at making their price lists and service contracts as eye-glazingly complicated as possible. And second, because immutable human nature compels many mere mortals to underestimate their costs, particularly while they are still trying to rationalize a bad investment they made some time ago
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>I'm pretty sure that American labs (excluding Canada, mind you) spent  $700-750m with the IHC companies in 2013. I think that between 28m and 32 million IHC slides were run last year in the US. If you want to slice those estimates down the middle you'll come up with maybe $24/slide, once every penny of waste, service, and sub-optimal operating procedures are truly accounted for. 
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>There you have one of the most useless averages you'll ever hear. There are plenty of contracts out there in vast middle America at every price point between $7 and $30 per slide. You pay what your volume earns you, unless of course you happen to be in the market for a tissue processor or primary stainer at the time you're haggling with the IHC companies. I'll remember their names if you give me another a minute.
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>That's the way it was last year. WIth these new codes, lots of small labs will be priced out of the IHC business by summertime, and the big labs that remain will have negotiated prices within a narrower range. That'll be a fast-moving target. Since I didn't see you in the crowd at the funeral of 88342 last month, I am attaching below our chronicle of the event.
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>I'm always happy to banter about this with anyone who thinks the topic is interesting.
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>Sincerely,
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>Michael Farmer
>McEvoy & Farmer Pathology
>www.mcevoyandfarmer-pathology.com
>415-994-8852
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>"Those who seek the truth doubt those who find it"
> - André Gide
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>On Feb 3, 2014, at 1:03 PM, Ann Specian wrote:
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>> Can anyone tell me the average cost for preparing an IHC slide?
>> thanks, Ann
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