[Histonet] Re: Staining on Alcohol Fixed Smears

[Susan Foreman]

What info do you guys have on acetone fixed smears?  Specifically, having
trouble getting PAX5 (nuclear) to show good signal without chewing up the
cells during antigen retrieval.  

Susan Foreman, HT (ASCP)
KDL Pathology
315 Erin Drive
Knoxville, TN 37919
(865)584-1933


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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Tom McNemar
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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Re: Staining on Alcohol Fixed Smears

Thanks for the clarification.  I appreciate the info!

Tom McNemar, HT(ASCP)
Histology Co-ordinator
Licking Memorial Health Systems
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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Beth Cox
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To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] Re: Staining on Alcohol Fixed Smears

I agree that with no formalin exposure, there is no crosslinking that needs
to be broken, but a "then, do nothing" approach to antigen
retrieval oversimplifies the issue.   Alcohol fixation makes changes in
the protiens/antibodies also, although different changes than formalin does,
and these changes need to be accounted for.  In my research on alcohol fixed
smears, I found that most antibodies perform best with some antigen
retrieval, often gentler than formalin tissues require.

Beth Cox, HTL/SCT(ASCP)QIHC
Vagabond Histotech

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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Re: Staining on Alcohol Fixed Smears
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Since there is no exposure to formalin, we do not do antigen retrieval on
alcohol fixed specimens.  We use the Ventana Benchmark XT and copy the
protocol to a new number and use the "Wet" option rather than paraffin.  No
retrieval needed.

Tom McNemar, HT(ASCP)
Histology Co-ordinator
Licking Memorial Health Systems
(740) 348-4163
(740) 348-4166
tmcnemar <@t> lmhealth.org
www.LMHealth.org

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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Beth Cox
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 6:30 PM
To:histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu;levi.fried <@t> gmail.com
Subject: [Histonet] Re: Staining on Alcohol Fixed Smears

Levi,

I've worked up most of the more common antibodies on alcohol fixed smears.
There are two things to remember here:  1) your specimens are alcohol fixed,
meaning antigen retrieval needs are different, and 2) they are smears,
meaning the cells weren't 'cut open' during microtomy, which impeeds some
nuclear staining.  Those are two different issues to consider.

Some rules of thumb:
1)  most cell membrane antigens will stain nicely with minimal changes to
the protocols you use for FFPE specimens
2)  most cytokeratin antigens stain nicely with little change to your FFPE
protocols (if you need to change, start by cutting your antigen retrieval
time in half)
3)  most nuclear antigens require significant changes from FFPE protocols,
and some are essentially impossible to stain using standard antibodies.

When I return to work on Monday, I will forward you my protocol
'adjustments' for the antibodies you requested.

Beth Cox, HTL/SCT(ASCP)QIHC
Vagabond Histotech




On 12/14/2013 12:00 PM,histonet-request <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu  wrote:

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> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:25:08 +0200
> From: Levi Fried<levi.fried <@t> gmail.com>
> Subject: [Histonet] Staining on Alcohol Fixed Smears.
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> Hi Everyone.
>
> I am looking to stain alcohol fixed smears with a group of antibodies.
>
> The antibodies of particular interest are p63, p53 and ki67.
> Along with these antibodies I am looking for positive nuclear and 
> cytoplastic staining antibodies.
>
> If anyone has any experience in staining alcohol fixed slides your 
> information is very appreciated.
>
> All the best.
>
> -- Sincerely, - Levi Fried

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