[Histonet] RE: Uncertified histotechs

[joelle weaver]

Very well explained and summarized Pam, thank you. 




Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
 
> From: PAMarcum <@t> uams.edu
> To: TNMayer <@t> mdanderson.org; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 19:16:44 +0000
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> Subject: [Histonet] RE: Uncertified histotechs
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> The interesting thing is the history of Histotechnican and Histotechnologist.  We have probably all been called both if we have been in this field very long.  Recently, I had a reason to find out how it actually came about and where the two titles came from originally and got so confused.  Prior to early 1980 we were all called by these two names and Histologist.  In the early 80s the ASCP developed a new "management category" for the registry.  The new category was Histotechnologist or HTL, with the idea that some of us could grandfather in over several years (if we had the experience) and then the category would require a four year or BS degree in order to sit for the test.  Now you are supposed to have a BS to take the HTL and be called a Histotechnologist.  HTs are called Histotechnicians according to ASCP.  
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> The problem is now we are so confused in many of the job categories and we are all still called by any of the three titles that getting paid more is hard or knowing what you are in the market.  HR departments and some managers are not sure what to call us or list jobs as in descriptions overall.  Recently here in Arkansas a market survey was done.  These issues really showed the differences.  No one really understood how to correct the titles as some of the employers only hired you if you had one of the titles and made no exception for which one and others just did not care as long as you were registered with ASCP.  The University made some slight difference due to education.  Due to the market confusion and ours as to what to call ourselves at times this was no help.  Now it is just "you need an HT or HTL to apply".  We are not offering OJT due to some issues with several people we trained for a year or more, not following through with the registry.  It cost too much money and time with no return from trainees in these cases. 
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> I am an OJT from back in the 60s when it was the only route to get into Histology as we had even fewer schools and options.  Some of the best Histology people I know were OJT trained and some with MTs who never sat for the Histology registry are excellent.  We all know people who are trained now and even years ago that are not at the top of the field and are only interested in coming in, getting by and going home.  Just like every other field we have the full range of above average to "no you can't ever do my tissue".  As long as we are fragmented this way it makes equitable pay and being recognized as a professional category by CAP a problem.  We do not do complex testing.  Really, have these people ever done IHC from titer to completion.  We can't give it to a pathologist unless we know it worked or why it did not and that is not complex.  
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> Pam Marcum
> UAMS
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> Subject: [Histonet] RE: Uncertified histotechs
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> It can be difficult to find employment without certification, however I have seen techs with certification who cannot perform.  It does depend on the facility and the environment.  Some say it is for liability purposes (in case there is a case that was mishandled) and some say for the regulations for health care law.  Either way it can be an asset, and I'm not just saying that because it's what I do.  
> I did OJT, and then took the test because my supervisor said I had to.  The benefit was it has not been very difficult meeting the basic qualifications for jobs.  The only drawback is there is no standard amongst employers on position names (histotechnician for less than 5 yrs experience and histotechnologist for more than 5 yrs).  Certification and education can open doors for more complex testing in the future, especially if we (histotechs) want to remain in charge of our destiny's.  
> So yes, the positions for non-certified histotechs are diminishing, depending on the location of the facility and the availability of techs in the area.  It also depends on whether or not there is a program in the area, if there is, the competition may be higher.  They can pay a new graduate less, even if they are certified, than a very experienced non-certified tech.  
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> I do agree that requesting a cutting test is a decent measure of baseline ability.  I did run into quite a few techs that were certified and cut the plastic on the cassette.  
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> Toysha N. Mayer, MBA, HT(ASCP)
> Instructor/Education Coordinator
> Program in Histotechnology
> School of Health Professions
> MD Anderson Cancer Center
> 713-563.3481
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> Is getting a job as an uncertified histotech a thing of the past? I have a friend who has been a very skilled histotech for many years and they have been looking for a job for about a year now. Is this due to bad interviewing or a lack of certification? I'm curious to see if this has happened to other people. They have applied at hospitals and bigger labs such as Caris. Im not asking for a job lead for them I'm just more curious if certification has become a prerequisite now.
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