[Histonet] Dako vs Ventana IHC systems

Mon Oct 29 14:55:20 CDT 2012

Thank you for this information, Christie.  We are a much smaller lab and would be using the new system as our primary IHC stainer.  Workflow considerations are a primary concern for us in addition to staining consistency and ease of use.  From what was demonstrated to us, the Ultra did not appear to be that "closed" and provided lots of flexibility for running just about anything we wanted but it was a sales pitch.  We are still in the "researching our options" stage.

We have experienced less than desirable service from Dako but they currently have a presence in our lab.  We have been pretty happy with the antibodies from Dako.

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From: CHRISTIE GOWAN [mailto:christiegowan <@t> msn.com]
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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Dako vs Ventana IHC systems

Hi Joe,
When searching for an automated IHC stainer, you need to shop based on your facility and it's needs. We recently went through the whole shopping around experience and because we are such a large facility, we have the Ventana Ultra as well as an XT and the New Dako Link. We use the Ventana Ultra for single piece flow and it really changed the dynamic of our lab. We also use the Ventana for all our automated probes including the dual Her2/Chr17 CISH. The Dako's (we have 2) we use for all those things that we do not run on the Ultra or Benchmark XT. About 50/50 on each system. We also do a lot of research for the UAB campus and it is nice to have the more open DAKO systems. We have 3 very experienced IHC techs working in the lab which lends a lot of consistency to the staining. I say this because if you rotate people through the lab or your staff is less experienced then you want something that is easy and consistent. We will probably always have the Ventana systems in our lab so not much shopping around for a more or less closed system (there is always debate over the open/closed thing) However, shopping around for a more open system can be a little harder. We demo'ed the bond, Biocare, Dako and Labvision. We narrowed it down to Biocare and Dako based on ease of use, speed and capacity and reagents/antibodies. Once we had narrowed it down to the 2 companies, then we started looking at packages. Dako delivered the best package and because Dako already had a presence in our Histology lab (Artisan Special Stainer) and we knew their service was always prompt (we always struggled with this with Leica) We chose Dako and replaced our 2 older Labvisions with Autostainer Links.
If you have any questions you can let me know via email and I will give you our contact info. Best of luck to you.
Christie Gowan
UAB Hospital
Birmingham, AL

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> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Dako vs Ventana IHC systems
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> Which Dako and Ventana machines are you all using? We are in the market for a new IHC stainer and the new Ventana BenckMark Ultra machine looks interesting.
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> Joe W. Walker, Jr. MS, SCT(ASCP)CM
> Anatomical Pathology Manager
> Rutland Regional Medical Center
> 160 Allen Street, Rutland, VT 05701
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> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu<mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
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> We had Ventana and changed to Dako. The Dako phone tech support is
> excellent and we never wait long for in house service. Our
> pathologists love the turnaround time with the open system and the stain quality.
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> Terri H. Brown, HT (ASCP)
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> I concur with Lynn; we've been dealing with Ventana 19 years.
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> We have been dealing with Ventana for at least 10 years with very good service and reliability. Their phone tech support is excellent and we have never waited long for in house service.
> Lynn Burton
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> Does anyone have info about Dako vs Ventana IHC systems as to consistency and reliability as far as turn around time on tech repair on site. Thanks.
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