[Histonet] Unregistered techs

Mon May 28 12:41:29 CDT 2012

And you are a wonderful tech. And I'm so proud of you for continuing your education. Anyone who gets mentored by you will be very lucky. Hope your having a great day. Luv ya 

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On May 25, 2012, at 12:35 PM, "Nicole Tatum" <nicole <@t> dlcjax.com> wrote:

>> LOL, I dont have much to say about this one. Like you Kim I have a fl HTL
> license and an HT ASCP. I have two classes left before I complete my BSH
> and will be able to sit for my ASCP HTL. I have 12yrs of experience but
> that is not reconginized in the eyes of licensure for ASCP. I do believe
> my skill level should determine my licensure status not the degree I
> hold. Because I promise every class im taking rt now means nothing
> towards my field. The word histology has not even be written in any of
> the books im studying. I think OJT techs are just as qualified as any
> person who completed an online programs, if not more so. I completed an
> online histology program and learned my skills from other people in the
> bizz with alot of experience who were willing to train me and be patient.
> Never one time did I question their, experience, licensure, or training.
> The OJTs carried Histology through the transisition of licensure and
> passed the skills and knowlegde on to us young bucks to carry the torch.
> 
> That is all...lol
> Nicole Tatum HT ASCP   (hahaha soon to be HTL ASCP)  :)~~~~~~~
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> LOL, I was waiting for this thread to turn into a fist fight. I knew it
>> would.
>>  
>> A Fl Licensed HTL is someone who oviously had to take more test than a
>> ASCP certified tech if they got it from 19 years ago. How do I know, I'm
>> one of those who had to take all those test way back then. Florida is
>> pretty stringent who can do what with what. Not as much as they used to
>> be, because now the only route is through ASCP. You will not work in a
>> hospital as a histologist without a Fl License. Maybe in a exclusive
>> provider private office, but that is the only exception.
>>  
>> As far as Monkeys. Whew! I think that's whats wrong with our profession,
>> one thing anyway. Too many people veiw it that way.
>>  
>> Personally I wish the Histo programs would go back to teaching on campus
>> with using the MLT course comparison. Not to bash anyone who is either
>> involved or has been involved with the internet programs that have popped
>> up everywhere, but I'm not seeing the same level of technical skill or
>> knowledge come out of these programs. I'm sure there are many super
>> students who do get it, but many times they are pushed through on thier
>> short rotations and used as gophers etc and dont have the skills even
>> sometimes to cut a block. And forget about knowing what a good control for
>> a GMS is.
>>  
>> I'd like to see our profession go back to min AS degrees in Histology. The
>> certification only have hurt us and the pay scale is changing I feel
>> because of it.
>>  
>> Also, if you really want to promote our field and improve it, be
>> supportive of your state going to a license for our practice. ASCP
>> supports states requiring license.
>>  
>> Thats my 2cents for the day. Happy Friday! :)
>>  
>> Kim D
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>> ________________________________
>> From: William Chappell <chapcl <@t> yahoo.com>
>> To: Davide Costanzo <pathlocums <@t> gmail.com>
>> Cc: histonet <histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs
>> 
>> I have respected Jay's input in the past, but I too must say something.
>> 
>> Without realizing it, and by stating his opinion in a horribly crass way,
>> Jay has touched upon an important truism.  There are two types of
>> histologists, those that have a job that pays the bills, and those who
>> have a career in which they thrive.  Neither are better than the other,
>> both are needed.  I suspect, however, that the majority of Histonetters --
>> especially avid contributors are in the latter group.  I know I am.
>> 
>> Histotechs who approach histology as a job, go into work, embed, cut,
>> stain and go home.  they are excellent techs, but are just not committed
>> to expanding the field or doing more than is needed to provide the
>> pathologist with a perfect slide.  Jay refers to these people as no better
>> than trained monkeys.  That is a horrible insult with a small (very small)
>> grain of truth.  One day those histologists will be replaced by a
>> mechanical/robotic process.  The march of progress is unstoppable.
>> 
>> The career histologist has a much longer life span however.  We analyze
>> and troubleshoot problems.  We understand or endeavor to learn the organic
>> chemistry of stains.  We know EXACTLY how a Rabbit Monoclonal antibody is
>> made.  We know more about the practice of histology than ANY pathologist. 
>> We invent and develop antibodies and special stains.  And we conceptualize
>> and perfect the instruments that will replace the first group in the
>> future.
>> 
>> Jay, that is why so many are offended.  We don't do this simply because it
>> is a good paycheck.  We are histologists because we are professionals who
>> choose this career.  You may be going to a job cutting slides (which is
>> great and necessary), but we are enjoying our life.
>> 
>> Will Chappell, HTL (ASCP), QIHC, MBA
>> and histologist by choice, not accident
>> 
>> 
>> On May 24, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Davide Costanzo wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm sorry - I cannot let this rest. The comment: "we are just as much
>>> needed as pathologists, blah, blah,
>>> blah......." is so upsetting I cannot sit back and listen to that
>>> without
>>> saying something!
>>> 
>>> Everyone, regardless of their lot in life, is a very worthwhile part of
>>> the
>>> whole. Let me ask you a question, since you highly undervalue humans
>>> that
>>> are not MD's - let's say that you are a patient at Hospital X, and you
>>> go
>>> in to have your toenail removed. Who plays a more important role in your
>>> survival - the Podiatrist or the hospital janitor? I would argue that
>>> the
>>> janitor is more crucial in this instance, for if he/she fails to clean
>>> up
>>> the MRSA from the last patient you could conceivably die. The doctor
>>> solved
>>> your fungal problem, but the janitor prevented you from getting a
>>> potentially life-threatening infection. Think before you speak like that
>>> -
>>> everyone involved in your care is critical - and, yes, sometimes the
>>> doctor
>>> is not the most important person when it comes to keeping you alive and
>>> well!
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>>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Jay Lundgren <jaylundgren <@t> gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Scott Lyons slnj07 <@t> yahoo.com
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>>>> Give me a break, HTs and HTLs do not make diagnoses or treat patients.
>>>> I
>>>> am a registered HT and a Florida licensed HTL with 19 years experience,
>>>> I've done it all in the lab. I believe the certification and licensure
>>>> of
>>>> techs is a scam to bleed more money from people. Honestly, you can
>>>> train a
>>>> monkey to do our job. And I don't want to hear from everyone saying
>>>> it's an
>>>> art form, we are just as much needed as pathologists, blah, blah,
>>>> blah....... I work where they are hiring people from a masters degree
>>>> program for histology with certification, THEY KNOW NOTHING. Experience
>>>> it
>>>> where it's at, whether certified or not, get off your high horse.
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