[Histonet] Unregistered techs

Fri May 25 11:35:16 CDT 2012

>LOL, I dont have much to say about this one. Like you Kim I have a fl HTL
license and an HT ASCP. I have two classes left before I complete my BSH
and will be able to sit for my ASCP HTL. I have 12yrs of experience but
that is not reconginized in the eyes of licensure for ASCP. I do believe
my skill level should determine my licensure status not the degree I
hold. Because I promise every class im taking rt now means nothing
towards my field. The word histology has not even be written in any of
the books im studying. I think OJT techs are just as qualified as any
person who completed an online programs, if not more so. I completed an
online histology program and learned my skills from other people in the
bizz with alot of experience who were willing to train me and be patient.
Never one time did I question their, experience, licensure, or training.
The OJTs carried Histology through the transisition of licensure and
passed the skills and knowlegde on to us young bucks to carry the torch.

That is all...lol
Nicole Tatum HT ASCP   (hahaha soon to be HTL ASCP)  :)~~~~~~~


 LOL, I was waiting for this thread to turn into a fist fight. I knew it
> would.
>  
> A Fl Licensed HTL is someone who oviously had to take more test than a
> ASCP certified tech if they got it from 19 years ago. How do I know, I'm
> one of those who had to take all those test way back then. Florida is
> pretty stringent who can do what with what. Not as much as they used to
> be, because now the only route is through ASCP. You will not work in a
> hospital as a histologist without a Fl License. Maybe in a exclusive
> provider private office, but that is the only exception.
>  
> As far as Monkeys. Whew! I think that's whats wrong with our profession,
> one thing anyway. Too many people veiw it that way.
>  
> Personally I wish the Histo programs would go back to teaching on campus
> with using the MLT course comparison. Not to bash anyone who is either
> involved or has been involved with the internet programs that have popped
> up everywhere, but I'm not seeing the same level of technical skill or
> knowledge come out of these programs. I'm sure there are many super
> students who do get it, but many times they are pushed through on thier
> short rotations and used as gophers etc and dont have the skills even
> sometimes to cut a block. And forget about knowing what a good control for
> a GMS is.
>  
> I'd like to see our profession go back to min AS degrees in Histology. The
> certification only have hurt us and the pay scale is changing I feel
> because of it.
>  
> Also, if you really want to promote our field and improve it, be
> supportive of your state going to a license for our practice. ASCP
> supports states requiring license.
>  
> Thats my 2cents for the day. Happy Friday! :)
>  
> Kim D
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: William Chappell <chapcl <@t> yahoo.com>
> To: Davide Costanzo <pathlocums <@t> gmail.com>
> Cc: histonet <histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs
>
> I have respected Jay's input in the past, but I too must say something.
>
> Without realizing it, and by stating his opinion in a horribly crass way,
> Jay has touched upon an important truism.  There are two types of
> histologists, those that have a job that pays the bills, and those who
> have a career in which they thrive.  Neither are better than the other,
> both are needed.  I suspect, however, that the majority of Histonetters --
> especially avid contributors are in the latter group.  I know I am.
>
> Histotechs who approach histology as a job, go into work, embed, cut,
> stain and go home.  they are excellent techs, but are just not committed
> to expanding the field or doing more than is needed to provide the
> pathologist with a perfect slide.  Jay refers to these people as no better
> than trained monkeys.  That is a horrible insult with a small (very small)
> grain of truth.  One day those histologists will be replaced by a
> mechanical/robotic process.  The march of progress is unstoppable.
>
> The career histologist has a much longer life span however.  We analyze
> and troubleshoot problems.  We understand or endeavor to learn the organic
> chemistry of stains.  We know EXACTLY how a Rabbit Monoclonal antibody is
> made.  We know more about the practice of histology than ANY pathologist. 
> We invent and develop antibodies and special stains.  And we conceptualize
> and perfect the instruments that will replace the first group in the
> future.
>
> Jay, that is why so many are offended.  We don't do this simply because it
> is a good paycheck.  We are histologists because we are professionals who
> choose this career.  You may be going to a job cutting slides (which is
> great and necessary), but we are enjoying our life.
>
> Will Chappell, HTL (ASCP), QIHC, MBA
> and histologist by choice, not accident
>
>
> On May 24, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Davide Costanzo wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry - I cannot let this rest. The comment: "we are just as much
>> needed as pathologists, blah, blah,
>> blah......." is so upsetting I cannot sit back and listen to that
>> without
>> saying something!
>>
>> Everyone, regardless of their lot in life, is a very worthwhile part of
>> the
>> whole. Let me ask you a question, since you highly undervalue humans
>> that
>> are not MD's - let's say that you are a patient at Hospital X, and you
>> go
>> in to have your toenail removed. Who plays a more important role in your
>> survival - the Podiatrist or the hospital janitor? I would argue that
>> the
>> janitor is more crucial in this instance, for if he/she fails to clean
>> up
>> the MRSA from the last patient you could conceivably die. The doctor
>> solved
>> your fungal problem, but the janitor prevented you from getting a
>> potentially life-threatening infection. Think before you speak like that
>> -
>> everyone involved in your care is critical - and, yes, sometimes the
>> doctor
>> is not the most important person when it comes to keeping you alive and
>> well!
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>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Jay Lundgren <jaylundgren <@t> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott Lyons slnj07 <@t> yahoo.com
>>>
>>> Give me a break, HTs and HTLs do not make diagnoses or treat patients.
>>> I
>>> am a registered HT and a Florida licensed HTL with 19 years experience,
>>> I've done it all in the lab. I believe the certification and licensure
>>> of
>>> techs is a scam to bleed more money from people. Honestly, you can
>>> train a
>>> monkey to do our job. And I don't want to hear from everyone saying
>>> it's an
>>> art form, we are just as much needed as pathologists, blah, blah,
>>> blah....... I work where they are hiring people from a masters degree
>>> program for histology with certification, THEY KNOW NOTHING. Experience
>>> it
>>> where it's at, whether certified or not, get off your high horse.
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