[Histonet] (no subject) (Not requiring HT Certification)
Bernice Frederick
b-frederick <@t> northwestern.edu
Thu May 24 09:52:16 CDT 2012
So why was OJT supposedly off the charts in 2005 (so to speak). Guess not.
Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP)
Senior Research Tech
Pathology Core Facility
ECOGPCO-RL
Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center
Northwestern University
710 N Fairbanks Court
Olson 8-421
Chicago,IL 60611
312-503-3723
b-frederick <@t> northwestern.edu
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From: William [mailto:chapcl <@t> yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:50 AM
To: Bernice Frederick
Cc: joelle weaver; lpwenk <@t> sbcglobal.net; tpodawiltz <@t> lrgh.org; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] (no subject) (Not requiring HT Certification)
OJT is only available to HTL's via the route you described.
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On May 24, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Bernice Frederick <b-frederick <@t> northwestern.edu> wrote:
> If OJT is no longer a valid route, then why can someone with a BS in biology and a years experience in an accredited lab be allowed to take the exam? Most of the people falling into said category learn OTJ and at that learn the lab, not all the theory, so to me, OJT is still there since many of these people never went to histo school.
> Bernice
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> Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP)
> Senior Research Tech
> Pathology Core Facility
> ECOGPCO-RL
> Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center
> Northwestern University
> 710 N Fairbanks Court
> Olson 8-421
> Chicago,IL 60611
> 312-503-3723
> b-frederick <@t> northwestern.edu
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> -----Original Message-----
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> weaver
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> Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject) (Not requiring HT Certification)
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> Peggy Thanks so much for posting this !! I see those job descriptions you speak of all the time. They actually contradict themselves within the description or job posting itself. Such as ask for HT/HTL certification OR 1 year acceptable experience, and then have education requirements of HSD or GED. There are a few people I guess that could be grandfathered, but wat is the certification and education they want/require? Many people I have encountered working in the lab truly don't know the certification eligibility requirements now and think that OJT is still open- even as you pointed out the 7 year time elapse. I stopped trying to correct people's misconception on this and just direct people to the BOC/BOR website for the routes. I have no idea if they ever actually do it, but I do my best to get people to the correct information. I agree supervisors or managers should be more informed on this and check before they advise people, but just my opinion. I do think it is misleading to hire people and allow them to think that this alone can lead to their certification at this point if they don't also pursue the education. I have seen MANY people who fell into this situation and then were unable to change jobs if they needed or wanted to. I think only people who have ever been involved with teaching seem to know about NAACLS.
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> Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
>> From: lpwenk <@t> sbcglobal.net
>> To: joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com; tpodawiltz <@t> lrgh.org
>> CC: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Histonet] (no subject) (Not requiring HT Certification)
>> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 05:43:32 -0400
>>
>> I'd like to wade into this discuss with a couple of comments:
>>
>> LABS WANTING ONLY HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES AND/OR NON-CERTIFIED "HISTOTECHS":
>> Yes, I'm still hearing about places like this. When I talk with the
>> supervisors, it's because the lab wants the person doing the "histotech"
>> job, but they only want to pay them at "lab assistant" wages. Plus,
>> once they get the people trained as "histotechs", the employees can't
>> go elsewhere, because the other labs only want certified histotech,
>> and these people can't get certified as they don't have the associate
>> degree and minimum 12 hours of biology and chemistry combined as
>> required to take the ASCP HT exam. So these people end up having to
>> stay there. (Personally, I think is very unfair to the employees they
>> hire.)
>>
>> LABS NOT KNOWING ABOUT THE CHANGES IN HT REQUIREMENTS:
>> Even though the High School route was dropped as of Jan 1, 2005 (over
>> 7 years ago), I still get emails from labs that want to hire one of
>> my students, but their job description says high school diploma. I
>> usually call these places up, and the histology supervisor had no
>> idea the ASCP HT high school route was dropped. "Someone" should have
>> told them. Even though it was in every "NSH in Action" for the 5
>> years previous (that's now over 12 years ago), in some ASCP
>> publications each year for the 5 years previous, and on both the NSH
>> and ASCP webpage for the 5 years previous, well, since they aren't
>> NSH or ASCP members, well, "someone" still should have contacted them directly and let them know. Sigh.
>>
>> I've had employees call that they were hired after the 2005 deadline,
>> with the job description of high school graduate requirement, and
>> were told they had 2 years to get the experience required, and then
>> they had 1 additional year in which to take and pass the HT exam. And
>> when they went to sign up to take the HT exam, they discovered that
>> the HT exam requirements had dropped the high school route and now
>> the on-the-job (OJT) requires the associate
>> degree/60 credit hours with 12 credits of bio/chem, which of course
>> they don't have. They tell me that their histology supervisor says
>> they are going to fire them, because they can't take the ASCP HT Exam.
>> I end up talking with the supervisor, and advise them to talk with
>> their HR and Legal departments, as they are the ones who advertised
>> the high school requirement, and they are the ones who hired this
>> person without the needed education. And I suggest they help with
>> person complete an on-line NAACLS HT program, several of which will
>> take someone with the high school diploma, as long as they had a biology, a chemistry, and a math class in high school.
>>
>> NAACLS STUDENTS TAKING THE HT (OR HTL) ASCP EXAM:
>> NAACLS is the accrediting agency for HT and HTL programs. (Think CAP,
>> but for most lab training programs.) NAACLS has a long list of
>> standards for programs to follow. (Think CAP checklist.)
>>
>> Standard 14 G has a statement "The granting of the degree or
>> certificate must not be contingent upon the student's passing any
>> type of external certification or licensure examination."
>>
>> (Explanation: Not all HT programs end in an associate degree. The
>> certificate refers to a certificate of completion of a program. My
>> program, for example, is hospital-based. Some students already have
>> their degree before they start my program. Some have all the college
>> credits except for the ones they are earning while completing the
>> internship, then they earn their degree from the college when they
>> complete the internship and get the grade for those last credit hours.
>> The hospital doesn't grant the degree, the college does. The hospital
>> program grants a certificate of completion of the program, which is
>> acceptable to NAACLS, ASCP, and employers.)
>>
>> As NAACLS accredited HT or HTL programs, we can encourage our
>> students to take the HT/HTL exam upon completion of the program. We
>> can do review sessions with them. We can remind them of the deadlines
>> to sign up. We can help them sign up if they are having problems. We
>> can let them know that labs in our area expect people to be
>> certified. We can let them know that they can sign up while still in
>> the program (couple of months before graduation), and they can,
>> before they graduate, pick a date to take the exam after graduation.
>> We can tell them that these dates to take the exams can be put on
>> their resume, on the application, and that they can inform the
>> supervisor during the interview that they are already signed up to take the HT/HTL exam.
>>
>> But we can NOT "make" the student take the exam. Completion of the
>> program cannot be contingent upon taking or passing the HT/HTL exam
>> (or getting state licensure). The program could lose NAACLS
>> accreditation if we force the student to take the HT/HTL/state
>> licensure exam, or withhold their degree or certificate until they do
>> take/pass the HT/HTL exam/become state licensed.
>>
>> Thanks for "listening".
>>
>> Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
>> Program Director, Schools of Histotechnology William Beaumont
>> Hospital Royal Oak, MI 48073
>>
>> (The opinions expressed are my own, and do not represent Beaumont
>> Hospital.)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: joelle weaver
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:41 PM
>> To: tpodawiltz <@t> lrgh.org
>> Cc: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>> Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject)
>>
>>
>> TomI compliment your approach, and I personally really like to see
>> when employers do this. I think it provides opportunity, yet
>> incentive. Two years seems especially reasonable. Most places that I
>> have known who use this method for new-grad hires, have allowed 1
>> year. It is even better when they provide additional training and support to the person as they are preparing.
>> Having been involved in an online program and clinical curricula in
>> the past, I feel from my observations that continuity with work in
>> the environment is essential for most in connecting the theory with execution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
>>> From: tpodawiltz <@t> lrgh.org
>>> To: joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com; sherrian.mcann <@t> va.gov;
>>> histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>>> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 10:45:52 -0400
>>> Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject)
>>>
>>> The last person I hired for a tech position, was just finishing her
>>> on-line program. I helped her complete that and then she was given
>>> two years to get her certification. This was all part of her hiring
>>> agreement, so she knew this coming in and completely understood that
>>> failing to achieve either one would affect her employment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Podawiltz HT (ASCP)
>>> Histology Section Head/Laboratory Safety Officer.
>>>
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>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>>> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of
>>> joelle weaver
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:43 PM
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>>> Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject)
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>>>
>>> That seems to be the unfortunate situation at this time...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
>>>> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:39:39 -0500
>>>> From: Sherrian.McAnn <@t> va.gov
>>>> To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>>>> Subject: [Histonet] (no subject)
>>>>
>>>> I agree and would like to add. This is one scenario that I have
>>>> seen many times, where hospitals or wherever will hire histotechs
>>>> without certifications . I am thinking that saves them money and
>>>> they still have a "histotech". I have seen good histotechs that
>>>> have no certification and likewise some bad ones with certification. Lately I
>>>> have seen these schools turn out histotechs , it seems with little
>>>> encouragement to get certified. If places will hire them without
>>>> being certified, there seems little incentive (unless you are self
>>>> motivated for more money) to move on up to certification.
>>>>
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