[Histonet] (no subject) (Not requiring HT Certification)
joelle weaver
joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com
Thu May 24 09:25:44 CDT 2012
Peggy Thanks so much for posting this !! I see those job descriptions you speak of all the time. They actually contradict themselves within the description or job posting itself. Such as ask for HT/HTL certification OR 1 year acceptable experience, and then have education requirements of HSD or GED. There are a few people I guess that could be grandfathered, but wat is the certification and education they want/require? Many people I have encountered working in the lab truly don't know the certification eligibility requirements now and think that OJT is still open- even as you pointed out the 7 year time elapse. I stopped trying to correct people's misconception on this and just direct people to the BOC/BOR website for the routes. I have no idea if they ever actually do it, but I do my best to get people to the correct information. I agree supervisors or managers should be more informed on this and check before they advise people, but just my opinion. I do think it is misleading to hire people and allow them to think that this alone can lead to their certification at this point if they don't also pursue the education. I have seen MANY people who fell into this situation and then were unable to change jobs if they needed or wanted to. I think only people who have ever been involved with teaching seem to know about NAACLS.
Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
> From: lpwenk <@t> sbcglobal.net
> To: joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com; tpodawiltz <@t> lrgh.org
> CC: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: Re: [Histonet] (no subject) (Not requiring HT Certification)
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 05:43:32 -0400
>
> I'd like to wade into this discuss with a couple of comments:
>
> LABS WANTING ONLY HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES AND/OR NON-CERTIFIED "HISTOTECHS":
> Yes, I'm still hearing about places like this. When I talk with the
> supervisors, it's because the lab wants the person doing the "histotech"
> job, but they only want to pay them at "lab assistant" wages. Plus, once
> they get the people trained as "histotechs", the employees can't go
> elsewhere, because the other labs only want certified histotech, and these
> people can't get certified as they don't have the associate degree and
> minimum 12 hours of biology and chemistry combined as required to take the
> ASCP HT exam. So these people end up having to stay there. (Personally, I
> think is very unfair to the employees they hire.)
>
> LABS NOT KNOWING ABOUT THE CHANGES IN HT REQUIREMENTS:
> Even though the High School route was dropped as of Jan 1, 2005 (over 7
> years ago), I still get emails from labs that want to hire one of my
> students, but their job description says high school diploma. I usually call
> these places up, and the histology supervisor had no idea the ASCP HT high
> school route was dropped. "Someone" should have told them. Even though it
> was in every "NSH in Action" for the 5 years previous (that's now over 12
> years ago), in some ASCP publications each year for the 5 years previous,
> and on both the NSH and ASCP webpage for the 5 years previous, well, since
> they aren't NSH or ASCP members, well, "someone" still should have contacted
> them directly and let them know. Sigh.
>
> I've had employees call that they were hired after the 2005 deadline, with
> the job description of high school graduate requirement, and were told they
> had 2 years to get the experience required, and then they had 1 additional
> year in which to take and pass the HT exam. And when they went to sign up to
> take the HT exam, they discovered that the HT exam requirements had dropped
> the high school route and now the on-the-job (OJT) requires the associate
> degree/60 credit hours with 12 credits of bio/chem, which of course they
> don't have. They tell me that their histology supervisor says they are going
> to fire them, because they can't take the ASCP HT Exam. I end up talking
> with the supervisor, and advise them to talk with their HR and Legal
> departments, as they are the ones who advertised the high school
> requirement, and they are the ones who hired this person without the needed
> education. And I suggest they help with person complete an on-line NAACLS HT
> program, several of which will take someone with the high school diploma, as
> long as they had a biology, a chemistry, and a math class in high school.
>
> NAACLS STUDENTS TAKING THE HT (OR HTL) ASCP EXAM:
> NAACLS is the accrediting agency for HT and HTL programs. (Think CAP, but
> for most lab training programs.) NAACLS has a long list of standards for
> programs to follow. (Think CAP checklist.)
>
> Standard 14 G has a statement "The granting of the degree or certificate
> must not be contingent upon the student's passing any type of external
> certification or licensure examination."
>
> (Explanation: Not all HT programs end in an associate degree. The
> certificate refers to a certificate of completion of a program. My program,
> for example, is hospital-based. Some students already have their degree
> before they start my program. Some have all the college credits except for
> the ones they are earning while completing the internship, then they earn
> their degree from the college when they complete the internship and get the
> grade for those last credit hours. The hospital doesn't grant the degree,
> the college does. The hospital program grants a certificate of completion of
> the program, which is acceptable to NAACLS, ASCP, and employers.)
>
> As NAACLS accredited HT or HTL programs, we can encourage our students to
> take the HT/HTL exam upon completion of the program. We can do review
> sessions with them. We can remind them of the deadlines to sign up. We can
> help them sign up if they are having problems. We can let them know that
> labs in our area expect people to be certified. We can let them know that
> they can sign up while still in the program (couple of months before
> graduation), and they can, before they graduate, pick a date to take the
> exam after graduation. We can tell them that these dates to take the exams
> can be put on their resume, on the application, and that they can inform the
> supervisor during the interview that they are already signed up to take the
> HT/HTL exam.
>
> But we can NOT "make" the student take the exam. Completion of the program
> cannot be contingent upon taking or passing the HT/HTL exam (or getting
> state licensure). The program could lose NAACLS accreditation if we force
> the student to take the HT/HTL/state licensure exam, or withhold their
> degree or certificate until they do take/pass the HT/HTL exam/become state
> licensed.
>
> Thanks for "listening".
>
> Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
> Program Director, Schools of Histotechnology
> William Beaumont Hospital
> Royal Oak, MI 48073
>
> (The opinions expressed are my own, and do not represent Beaumont Hospital.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: joelle weaver
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:41 PM
> To: tpodawiltz <@t> lrgh.org
> Cc: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject)
>
>
> TomI compliment your approach, and I personally really like to see when
> employers do this. I think it provides opportunity, yet incentive. Two years
> seems especially reasonable. Most places that I have known who use this
> method for new-grad hires, have allowed 1 year. It is even better when they
> provide additional training and support to the person as they are preparing.
> Having been involved in an online program and clinical curricula in the
> past, I feel from my observations that continuity with work in the
> environment is essential for most in connecting the theory with execution.
>
>
>
> Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
> > From: tpodawiltz <@t> lrgh.org
> > To: joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com; sherrian.mcann <@t> va.gov;
> > histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 10:45:52 -0400
> > Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject)
> >
> > The last person I hired for a tech position, was just finishing her
> > on-line program. I helped her complete that and then she was given two
> > years to get her certification. This was all part of her hiring agreement,
> > so she knew this coming in and completely understood that failing to
> > achieve either one would affect her employment.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom Podawiltz HT (ASCP)
> > Histology Section Head/Laboratory Safety Officer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of joelle
> > weaver
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:43 PM
> > To: sherrian.mcann <@t> va.gov; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject)
> >
> >
> > That seems to be the unfortunate situation at this time...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
> > > Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:39:39 -0500
> > > From: Sherrian.McAnn <@t> va.gov
> > > To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > > Subject: [Histonet] (no subject)
> > >
> > > I agree and would like to add. This is one scenario that I have seen
> > > many times, where hospitals or wherever will hire histotechs without
> > > certifications . I am thinking that saves them money and they still
> > > have a "histotech". I have seen good histotechs that have no
> > > certification and likewise some bad ones with certification. Lately I
> > > have seen these schools turn out histotechs , it seems with little
> > > encouragement to get certified. If places will hire them without being
> > > certified, there seems little incentive (unless you are self motivated
> > > for more money) to move on up to certification.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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