[Histonet] Aetna and In-Office Lab Accreditation

Tue Apr 10 12:45:04 CDT 2012

Okay, let's move on people.  It's getting too personal instead of professional.  Enough already

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From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Pratt, Caroline
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:19 PM
To: Nicole Tatum; Davide Costanzo; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Aetna and In-Office Lab Accreditation

I don't think it was meant as a personal attack, it's a larger
conceptual issue on ethics of the business principle behind the model
for in-office laboratories and the debate isn't about jobs, it's about
the best interest of the patient.  I am sure your skill set is
exceptional.

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From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Nicole
Tatum
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:56 AM
To: Davide Costanzo; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Aetna and In-Office Lab Accreditation

Rude is when you attack someone who is your equal. Yes, your right im a
schmuck because I work in private practice. I didnt know that having my
education, and completing my internship, and having 12yrs in the field
made me a lesser histologist because I work in private practice.
Seriouly
get a grip. The conflict lies in you, if you cant see that we all are
working to support our families. I really dont care where my fellow
Histologist work, because I am happy they have a job and our
professional
is able to grow and that there are other opportunities for Histologist
outside of hospitals. These in-house lab have created all new
opportunities for Histologist and I back them 100%. Great thing about
being an American, is I dont have to agree with you. This field has
supported my family and allowed me to live comfortably, I will defend it
for myself and others who will be entering the work force. I can only
hope
they have me for a mentor. I choose to promote my field and work with my
collegues to ensure the survival of all of our jobs.

Nicole Tatum HT ASCP

 You're just plain rude. Whenever someone is wrong, it is easy to
> criticize others. Takes the focus off you.
>
> Unlike you, I will not post my personal rude comments on the entire
> list serv.
>
> You are right, I shouldn't argue with a lesser educated schmuck
either.
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> From: Nicole Tatum
> Sent: 4/10/2012 8:18 AM
> To: Davide Costanzo; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Aetna and In-Office Lab Accreditation
> Really, An undertaker. Yea, theres definately a conflict here, you. No
> since in wasting my time.
>
>
> Nicole
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Start with reading Dr. Schneider's post. Then read Richard Cartun's
>> post. Those should deal will what you are talking about very well.
>>
>> These in-office labs should not exist, for the very same reason the
>> undertaker is no longer the ambulance driver. There is a very real,
and
>> significant conflict of interest.
>>
>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>> From: Nicole Tatum
>> Sent: 4/10/2012 6:45 AM
>> To: Davide Costanzo; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Histonet] Aetna and In-Office Lab Accreditation
>> Money is at the root of all finicial decisions, in-house labs and
>> hospitals. There are many over utilization of resources within the
>> health
>> care field. Many gallbladder surgerious are performed unneccesarly by
>> general surgeous who's practice are within hospitals walls.
>> Tonsilectomy.
>> etc. How are those specimens not self reffered to the hospitals AP
lab.
>> David you made the comment about specialities staying with there
>> specialty
>> and not branching out. A dermatopathologist specializes in derm
>> specimens
>> so why is it so far fetched that he would read derm specimens from
all
>> sources, hospitals or in-house labs. My in-house lab has a higher
turn
>> around rate, lower overhead, and cuts courier fees out. We also do a
>> service to our patients by allowing them one stop shopping. We can
>> service
>> all there needs and they do not have to have multiple appointments at
>> different facilities. This cuts down on their copay and billing from
>> multiple doctors. Also, it would cost more for a person to have Mohs
>> surgery in a hospital setting. As we all know cost are higher at a
>> hospital because they have higher overhead. The hospital is self
>> reffering
>> when they let a surgery center or group be affiliated with them. The
>> surgery center was allowed to join the hospital so the hospital could
>> reep
>> the revenue generated and process their specimens. Either way, we are
>> all
>> joined by a common form of employment, and one facility is not better
>> than
>> another. My field provides jobs and creates revenue just like yours.
>> Insurance company are going to make changes to try and make revenue
>> during
>> this change into "OBAMA CARE". Remeber we are not the enemy they are.
>> Who
>> are they to dictate how my company runs. Insurance companies have to
>> much
>> power and the decisions they force us to make do not always provide
the
>> best patient care. And that is the ultimate goal for any provider, to
>> give
>> best patient care right? This is just another hurdle we all must jump
>> through in these comming changes. I vote we stick together and try
our
>> best to protect all our jobs. Wasnt that long ago that each of us we
>> trying to get pay increases and bring the importance of our jobs to
the
>> fore front of pathology. The financial squeeze of the helath care
system
>> is going to be felt by all. Histology, pathology, radiology,
cytology,
>> we
>> all must do our best to role with the punches and ensure quality care
>> and
>> our incomes, as well as our field, reguardless of location.
>>
>> Nicole Tatum, HT ASCP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Thank you for that. How are things at Hartford Hospital? One of my
>>> favorite
>>> places, rotated there many years ago. Very impressive facility! Is
Dr.
>>> Ricci still there?
>>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Richard Cartun
<Rcartun <@t> harthosp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This was released today.
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>> Statline Special Alert:
>>>> New Evidence Links Self-Referral Labs to Increased Utilization,
Lower
>>>> Cancer Detection Rates
>>>> Study co-funded by CAP Appears in April 2012 Issue of Health
Affairs
>>>> April 9-Self-referring urologists billed Medicare for nearly 75%
more
>>>> anatomic pathology (AP) specimens compared to non self-referring
>>>> physicians, according to a study published today in a leading
health
>>>> care policy journal. Furthermore, the study found no increase in
>>>> cancer
>>>> detection for the patients of self-referring physicians-in fact,
the
>>>> detection rate was 14% lower than that of non self-referring
>>>> physicians.
>>>>
>>>> These findings, from an independent study co-funded by the CAP,
>>>> provide
>>>> the first clear evidence that self-referral of anatomic pathology
>>>> services leads to increased utilization, higher Medicare spending,
and
>>>> lower rates of cancer detection. The study, led by renowned
Georgetown
>>>> University health care economist Jean Mitchell, PhD, will appear in
>>>> the
>>>> April 2012 issue of Health Affairs and is now available on the
>>>> journal's website.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>> Daniel Schneider <dlschneider <@t> gmail.com> 4/9/2012 4:47 PM >>>
>>>> This is all about the money. The rest is rationalization.
>>>>
>>>> The reason a group of non-pathologist physicians opens an in-house
>>>> pathology lab and hires an employee pathologist is first and
foremost
>>>> to harvest profit from pathology reimbursement. Be a fly on the
wall
>>>> in
>>>> the
>>>> partners' meetings and you would know that's what they are talking
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
>>>>
>>>> And the implication that the generalist anatomic pathologist is
>>>> unqualified
>>>> to be signing out skins, prostates, GI's and whatever is
>>>> reprehensible.
>>>> This is not cardiac bypass surgery, and AP pathologists *are*
trained
>>>> to do
>>>> all of the above. I eagerly defer to subspecialty expert
consultants
>>>> as
>>>> needed, but most of the time they're not needed.
>>>>
>>>> Hospital labs that see few, if any skins, prostates, GI's, are only
in
>>>> that
>>>> pickle because of the cherrypicking they've already been subjected
to.
>>>>
>>>> *"in-office AP labs are an emerging frontier of employment for
>>>> histologists
>>>> and pathologists.  In an era of high unemployment, another source
of
>>>> employment for our professions is "a good thing.""*
>>>>
>>>> Really? The jobs follow the specimens. Given the same number of
>>>> specimens,
>>>> there's the same number of jobs, more or less, just under different
>>>> circumstances and in different locations   Unless you're suggesting
>>>> that
>>>> in-office labs will generate increased specimens, and thus
increased
>>>> jobs
>>>> though overutilization, i.e. excessive numbers of unnecessary
biopsies
>>>> and
>>>> abuse of the patient and the taxpayer.  In which case I have to say
>>>> there's
>>>> a grain of truth. And the truth hurts.  And it's not " a good
thing."
>>>>
>>>> None of this should be taken as criticism of histotechs and
>>>> pathologists
>>>> who find themselves working in an in-office lab. I know there's
bills
>>>> to
>>>> pay, families to take care of, and god knows it's hard for a
>>>> pathologist to
>>>> find a job these days with the numbers our residency programs keep
>>>> churning
>>>> out (but that's another rant...).
>>>>
>>>> Dan Schneider, MD
>>>> Amarillo, TX
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 12:52 PM, <jdcochran <@t> aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Histonetters:
>>>> >
>>>> > In-office AP labs provide a valuable service to the practices
they
>>>> serve
>>>> > by facilitating 1) better communication between pathologists and
>>>> ordering
>>>> > clinicians, 2) quality metrics that are practice-specific, and 3)
>>>> high
>>>> > volume, sub-specialization for both histotechnologists and
>>>> pathologists.
>>>> >  In other words, the more of one type of histopathology a lab
does
>>>> (e.g.,
>>>> > skin, prostate, GI), the better it gets.  Most people would not
>>>> think
>>>> of
>>>> > having their cardiac bypass surgery done at a community hospital
>>>> doing
>>>> > 50/year; you want to go where more than 500/year are done.  In
>>>> > histopathology, the kinds of volume you want are in the thousands
>>>> for
>>>> each
>>>> > tissue type.  Many hospital labs do little skin or prostate
>>>> histology
>>>> > anymore.  Many sub-specialty in-office AP labs may do thousands
of
>>>> cases of
>>>> > one tissue type every year.
>>>> >
>>>> > Aside from that, in-office AP labs are an emerging frontier of
>>>> employment
>>>> > for histologists and pathologists.  In an era of high
unemployment,
>>>> another
>>>> > source of employment for our professions is "a good thing."
>>>> >
>>>> > This requirement by an insurer for accreditation will help to
>>>> validate
>>>> > these in-office AP labs' commitment to quality and put them on
the
>>>> level
>>>> > with their hospital counterparts.
>>>> >
>>>> > John D. Cochran, MD, FCAP
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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