[Histonet] RE: Re:peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical

Wed Aug 31 14:52:06 CDT 2011

It seems from these comments that not all schools are created equal.  I just
graduated from a one-year program in Histotechnology at Clover Park
Technical College in Lakewood, WA and I can assure you that no one graduated
unless they 1) Understood, and could preform by hand, every step in the
histology workflow from grossing to coverslipping.  2)  Completed a 300-hour
clinical rotation with exposure to a variety of automated instruments and
the production rate expected of a tech working in a clinical lab.  3)
Demonstrated a respect for the profession and the passion to continue
learning.

I pity the HT candidate who enters the workforce with a less thorough
preperation for what he's in for!

-Eric Eades

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:22 AM, joelle weaver <joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> Yes, that was what I was aluding to. I try to imagine that they just don't
> realize or have any knowledge of this, like me trying to fly a plane, since
> you mentioned pilots. It is better for me to consider it this way than just
> gettig upset or frustrated.  From what I have seen in the education, the
> perception of some adminstrators is that histology is something that is
> quite simple and easily mastered, like "flipping burgers" . But the ones I
> know have never been in a histology lab, which sure didn't help.Maybe we
> need to educate some of the educators? In order to stay positive and forward
> looking, we can continue to try to develop though those that come in if we
> have the ability in staff, resources etc.
>
> Joelle Weaver MAOM, BA, (HTL) ASCP
>
>
> > From: thiggins <@t> cddmedical.com
> > To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 13:07:21 -0500
> > Subject: [Histonet] RE: Re:peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical
>  >
> > How would the expression, "you need experience to get the job, and you
> need
> > the job to get experience" work if a person went through flight school to
> be
> > a pilot but did not receive any actual flight training but was then
> allowed
> > to get a job as a pilot flying a commuter plane in charge of peoples
> lives.
> > Maybe actual training is not as big a deal if you are flipping burgers
> but
> > Histology is slightly more important than that. At least I feel it is,
> > obviously the people running some of these "Approved" programs don't
> think
> > so.
> >
> > Scary!!
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tim
> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > 1. RE: Re:peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical - To stick a
> > Pin (joelle weaver)
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> > Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:41:25 +0000
> > From: joelle weaver <joelleweaver <@t> hotmail.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Histonet] Re:peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical -
> > To stick a Pin
> > To: <ree3 <@t> leicester.ac.uk>, <mlunetta <@t> luhcares.org>, Histonet
> > <histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
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> >
> > Yes, the old you need experience to get the job, and you need the job to
> get
> > experience....
> >
> > Joelle Weaver MAOM, BA, (HTL) ASCP
> >
> >
> > > From: ree3 <@t> leicester.ac.uk
> > > To: MLunetta <@t> luhcares.org; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > > Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:31:25 +0100
> > > Subject: RE: [Histonet] Re:peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical - To
> > stick a Pin
> > > CC:
> > >
> > > If you do not employ recently trained individuals, how on earth are
> they
> > going to obtain the experience that Matt craves, it's beyond me. My
> daughter
> > recently qualified as an Occupational Therapist, when she asked for the
> > reason that she was unsuccessful in obtaining a post, they said that as a
> > recently graduated student she had no experience, what
> rubbish!!.Thankfully
> > she has now obtained a position under more enlightened management that is
> to
> > be found here!.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Richard Edwards
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew
> > Lunetta
> > > Sent: 30 August 2011 18:59
> > > To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > > Subject: [Histonet] Re:peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical - To
> stick
> > a Pin
> > >
> > > Hey all,
> > >
> > > I found Peggy's comments on why the practical was discontinued to be
> > > very interesting. Of late I have had some experience with a new HT that
> > > graduated from a program and passed the current HT exam.
> > > So, as they say in Great Britain, to stick a pin in the ASCP reasons.
> > >
> > > This new fresh and shiny HT has all the book knowledge we needed them
> to
> > > have. What they did not have was any technical skills.
> > > 1) never used a microscope or centrifuge.
> > > 2) no special staining experience
> > > 3) no embedding experience
> > > 4) no cutting experience
> > >
> > > When they cut or embed they are no were near the speed, accuracy or
> > > quality that is needed in our industry. While they can answer any
> > > question you ask them they just do not have the technical skills one
> > > would expect from a new graduate.
> > >
> > > I have learned several lessons from this experience.
> > >
> > > 1) I am so very glad I was one of the last HT's to have taken the
> > > practical
> > > 2) Any new HT's will be taking a practical if I am involved in the
> > > selection process.
> > > 3) I will question they quality of any new HT from this particular
> > > program
> > >
> > > While I am sure that there are many new HT's that do have the skills
> > > needed, this one experience has caused me to be more cautious.
> > >
> > > Respectfully,
> > >
> > > Matt Lunetta
> > > BS, HT (ASCP)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 18:09:46 +0200
> > > From: "Gudrun Lang"
> > > Subject: AW: [Histonet] Re: peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical
> > > To: "'Bob Richmond'"
> > > Cc: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > > Message-ID: <8B7976B131854ABC8DB236FAB5026851 <@t> dielangs.at>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > Dear Dr. Richmond
> > > Here in Austria we have a job open for a pathologist with 5 years
> > > experience. ;)
> > > Please, think it over to come. Lovely mountains, lovely techs...
> > >
> > > It sounds, like you are from that sort of pathologist techs dream of.
> > > Gudrun
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > > [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] Im Auftrag von Bob
> > > Richmond
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. August 2011 04:43
> > > An: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > > Betreff: [Histonet] Re: peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical
> > >
> > > I really appreciate Peggy Wenk's analysis of the practical examination
> > > and why it had to be dropped. I never really understood the issue
> > > before.
> > >
> > > I must confess I always enjoyed helping the prospective examinee
> > > obtain exactly the right tissue.
> > >
> > > "No, this endometrium is poorly preserved. We'll arrange with surgery
> > > for a completely fresh specimen - I'll block it initially for the
> > > diagnosis, then we'll fix it overnight and then block it exactly to
> > > specifications. - Ick - this one's been curetted - we'll get another
> > > one".
> > >
> > > "I'll block the margins of this colon resection specimen, then we'll
> > > pin a portion of tissue onto paraffin and fix it flat overnight."
> > >
> > > "Next time I do an autopsy we'll get a lumbar spinal cord in the
> > > intact dura. I'll open the dura dorsally and ventrally with iridectomy
> > > scissors, then we'll hang it in neutral buffered formalin for two
> > > days. Then I'll tie the dura and dependent nerves with a cotton
> > > string. When you embed you'll remove the string, taking care that dura
> > > and nerves remain in position. After that it's all yours. If it
> > > doesn't work the first time, we've got three more levels in the jar."
> > >
> > > OK, I'm a geek, I'm 72 years old, I got a right.
> > >
> > > Bob Richmond
> > > Samurai Pathologist
> > > Knoxville TN
> > >
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