[Histonet] formalin storage

[Galbraith, Joe]

I have also had 'general' safety inspectors (OSHA people who mostly
focus on meat packing plants and food processors) make the same claim
that we had to use metal or other cut resistant gloves.  I had to
demonstrate the task of cutting a frozen section to get them to
understand.  They still did not like it but they did recognize the
problem.  We do use chain mail gloves for the bone saw since it is a
huge commercial band saw.   

Joe Galbraith
University of Iowa
joseph-galbraith <@t> uiowa.edu


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To prevent getting cut on the knife. 



Emily Sours <talulahgosh <@t> gmail.com> 
09/11/2009 08:34 AM

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I have to ask--what was the point of chain mail gloves?!

Emily

"One of the defining characteristics of modern surgery was that patients

ought to survive it."
--Peter Stanley, For Fear of Pain: British Surgery, 1790-1850


On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Jackie M O'Connor <
Jackie.O'Connor <@t> abbott.com> wrote:
I once had my safety officer insist I wear chain maille gloves while
cutting frozen sections.  They didn' t care about all the reasons I gave
them why I shouldn't - like it would be impossible to use the machine
while wearing them, and the patient would have to lie on the operating
table longer waiting to find out if their entire colon was going to be
removed.



"Jean Warren" <jwarren23 <@t> cinci.rr.com>
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09/11/2009 08:25 AM

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No, it is ridiculous. Safety people tried to argue this with us years
ago.

One of our pathologists told them, "How can something that is almost 90%
water be a combustion hazard?"


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To: <histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:15 AM
Subject: [Histonet] formalin storage




We have been directed by our Safety Officer to store all formalin (37%
and 10% NBF) in a flammable storage room, cabinet or container.  Yes,
37% Formalin we do store in this manner, but I have never heard of this
requirement for 10%NBF.  I looked on line to many MSDS sheets from
different vendors and found only one that stated such storage
requirements for 10% NBF.  During this search I found all but one
company states that formalin is not flammable.  I brought this to the
Safety Officer.  He agrees that it is not "flammable" but that it IS
"combustible".  Combustible=Flash point of 100F to 200F.  Of the dozen
sites I visited I found the following data concerning the Flash Point of
10% NBF: from "NA / >200F / 122F to 185F".  The NFPA (National Fire
Protection Agency) guideline of no more than 1 gallon in a flammable
storage container and 1 gallon outside of a safety cabinet/container per
100 square feet is already quite limiting.  Using this guideline, we
have calculated acceptable volumes of the known flammables (Alcohols and
Xylenes) we can store.  Adding 10% NBF to the equation will have us
traveling to our "bulk" storage area constantly.  Does anyone out there
store 10%NBF in flammable cans/cabinets?
Riesen, Rebecca
Rebecca.Riesen <@t> nchmd.org
NCH Healthcare Systems
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