[Histonet] Dako

[Patsy Ruegg]

Jan,
I understand but you might be surprised at how easy it is to make your own
buffers, find cheaper diluents and protein blocks, plus cheaper detection
reagents that perform as good or better than the ones you are paying so much
for, without changing your protocols.  We have been having this discussion
on the Nsh IHC Resource Group, you can join online at www.ihcrg.org 

Patsy Ruegg, HT(ASCP)QIHC
IHCtech
12635 Montview Blvd. Ste.215
Aurora, CO 80045
720-859-4060
fax 720-859-4110
www.ihctech.net 
www.ihcrg.org


-----Original Message-----
From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of
shive003 <@t> umn.edu
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 9:21 PM
To: Doug Showers
Cc: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Dako

Those of us in veterinary medicine diagnostics are really hung out to dry 
with Dako's price increases and push to make us accept the new Flex system. 
In my institution, there is not a separate charge (nor reimbursement) for 
IHC slides done for an autopsy (necropsy) or in-house surgical biopsy; it's 
rolled into the overall pathology charge. (There is no insurance nor 
medicare to fund diagnostic testing for animals.) Yet, IHC is imperative 
for a correct and thorough diagnosis, whether it be for tumors or 
infectious diseases, just like in human medicine. My lab performs about 125 
different IHC tests, all done on Dako autostainers, and most of the tumor 
antibodies are purchased from Dako. Do I want to replace Dako's products 
with other vendors' items and have to redevelop, optimize, and rewrite all 
those SOPs? No Way! But I can't afford Dako anymore and am starting to look 
into what the others have to sell me.

Jan Shivers



On Mar 12 2009, Doug Showers wrote:

>Claire,
> One of the things that irritates me about some companies is their 
> tendency to
> charge for their products based solely on what we get reimbursed rather 
> than
>being happy with making a healthy profit based on their expenses. 
>
>Doug Showers, MS, HT
>Histology Manager
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Ingles 
> Claire
>
>Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:23 PM
>To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>Subject: RE: [Histonet] Dako
>
>Why do I keep feeling more and more like these guys are the 'contractors',
> and we are the 'government'. i.e. $50 screwdrivers come to mind... I 
> think we
>need to start looking into these guys like others are looking into the
>pharmaceutical market pricing. They think they have us over a barrel. I say
>we put them in the barrel and pitch them over the falls. (the higher the
> better) How about paying for their goods based on how much we get 
> reimbursed
>by insurance/midicare/etc for the testing using their products. Although I
>have to say my little experience with immunos (on derm frozen sections, no
> less) I was really happy with Biocare. They sent tech specialists to help 
> out
> with protocols and troubleshooting even though we didn't even know if we 
> were
>even going to do the testing at all. Customer service was always great and
> very patient. They even transfered me to a specialist if they didn't know 
> the
>answers! Even their kits were compatable with other antibodies, and I was
>using predilutes. Never failed me, and improved the staining of the other
>brand antibodies when their own kits didn't work.
> Sorry. Tons of stress and migranes the past few days. I might be on the 
> verge
>of going Histo if I'm not careful. Is it Friday yet?
>Claire
>
>________________________________
>
>From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu on behalf of Thomas Pier
>Sent: Thu 3/12/2009 1:21 PM
>To: godsgalnow <@t> aol.com; HornHV <@t> archildrens.org; anne.lewin <@t> bms.com;
>billodonnell <@t> catholichealth.net; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu;
>jlhowery <@t> yrmc.org
>Subject: RE: [Histonet] Dako
>
>
>
>I've had great luck with Biocare as well.  They've been my primary supplier
>for detection kits and ancillaries since 2003.  I'm probably going to check
>them out for my DAB needs due to Dako DAB+ going from $170 to $400 for 110
>mL.
>
>
>
>
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