[Histonet] Practical Exam

Fri Feb 20 11:52:46 CST 2009

that's because its American society FOR CLINCAL pathologist, not anatomic.....(no offense intended) 

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From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:13 PM
To: 'Swain, Frances L'; 'O'Donnell, Bill'; 'Histonet'; Pamela Marcum
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Practical Exam

I can give you all 100:1 handicap that this will not happen, ever!
René J.

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Pamela Marcum <pmarcum <@t> vet.upenn.edu> wrote:

From: Pamela Marcum <pmarcum <@t> vet.upenn.edu>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Practical Exam
To: "'Swain, Frances L'" <SwainFrancesL <@t> uams.edu>, "'O'Donnell, Bill'" <billodonnell <@t> catholichealth.net>, "'Histonet'" <Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 11:34 AM

We would need more histologists presence in the office for that and not the
"business people" running it now for shows.

Pamela A Marcum
University of Pennsylvania 
School of Veterinary Medicine
Comparative Orthopedic Laboratory (CORL)
382 W Street Rd
Kennett Square PA 19438
610-925-6278

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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Swain,
Frances L
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:22 AM
To: O'Donnell, Bill; Histonet
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Practical Exam

There has been reference to someone else taking the practical exam instead
of the applicant.  Since the written exam has become a computer generated
program what is to stop someone from taking the exam for an applicant.  The
reasons given for dropping the exam are very shallow.  The idea that Victor
and Barry have been tauting are the best ones. The time has come that the
NSH step in and regulate us.  If the ASCP still wants to certify us then
they can send a representative to the different district to oversee and
participate in the scoring of the practical exam, etc.  It would be a lot
cheaper that way.

Frances L. Swain HT(ASCP) A. A. S.
Special Procedures Technician
Department of Orthopaedic Surgery
Center for Orthopaedic Research
Barton Research Building 2R28
4301 West Markham Street
Little Rock AR 72205
(501) 686-8739 PHONE
(501) 686-8987 FAX
swainfrancesl <@t> uams.edu email

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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of O'Donnell,
Bill
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:01 AM
To: Histonet
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Practical Exam

If, indeed, these were the two primary reasons for eliminating the practical
exam, they are weak and lazy reasons. An increase in the fee to apply would
cover costs, and, well, was it really that much of a problem of people doing
other peoples practicals. 

I can't imagine it to be out of proportion to what might (I emphasize
"might" and add "but likely did not") have occurred
sporadically in all the
years prior.

I won't pass judgement on a single source, but would love to hear from
someone who was a part of the decision process that eliminated this
practicum.

However, if it is true, my estimation of the ASCP has grossly deteriorated.

William (Bill) O'Donnell, HT (ASCP) QIHC 
Lead Histologist
Good Samaritan Hospital
10 East 31st Street
Kearney, NE 68847 

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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:01 AM
To: Victor Tobias; Histonet; Rittman, Barry R
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Practical Exam

There were 2 fundamental reasons why ASCP eliminated the practical part of
the examination:
1- they got to the conclusion that there was no way to determine if the
person sending the slides was the one who really made them, and
2- it was getting too costly to send the slides to review or to gather the
reviewers to qualify the sections, so they decided to eliminate the
practical and made the changes we have now (renewal and CEU).
René J.

--- On Thu, 2/19/09, Rittman, Barry R <Barry.R.Rittman <@t> uth.tmc.edu>
wrote:

From: Rittman, Barry R <Barry.R.Rittman <@t> uth.tmc.edu>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Practical Exam
To: "Victor Tobias" <victor <@t> pathology.washington.edu>,
"Histonet"
<Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 6:30 PM

Victor
I cannot believe that you have said this.
Although I did not think that the practical examination was the ultimate
test of skill ,  it did at least provide some uniformity.
With an extension of the logic that you use it is just as easy to allow the
pathologist to certify that the technician is qualified even without a
written examination. 
Without a somewhat standardized practical there is no guarantee that the
technician will have any practical knowledge outside their individual
laboratory.
Didactic without adequate practical knowledge is, as far as I am concerned,
useless.
What is really needed is a national standardized written and practical test
that is administered by NSH.
I am not holding my breath that this will happen.
Barry 

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[histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Victor Tobias
[victor <@t> pathology.washington.edu]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 5:03 PM
To: Histonet
Subject: [Histonet] Practical Exam

There has been discussion regarding the removal of the practical exam.
To me it has not been removed, but the responsibility has shifted to
whomever signs off on the student. In the case of OJT, the pathologist has
verified that this student can cut and stain. Of course what is acceptable
to one pathologist may not be to another. Do they get tested in the art of
troubleshooting...... As far as the schools go, they shouldn't be
graduating
anyone that can't cut, stain and troubleshoot.
So I don't really see a problem with the absence of the practical. It is
Friday somewhere.

Victor

--
Victor Tobias
Clinical Applications Analyst
University of Washington Medical Center
Dept of Pathology Room BB220
1959 NE Pacific
Seattle, WA 98195
victor <@t> pathology.washington.edu
206-598-2792
206-598-7659 Fax
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