[Histonet] Re: Histonet Digest, Vol 73, Issue 18
Amy Farnan
farnana <@t> nehealth.com
Mon Dec 14 06:56:45 CST 2009
I have a Leica Bond and I have had a couple of small issues but I think
that is par for the course with any instrument. Nothing is full proof. I
run a small lab that processes 20,000 surgicals a year. The Bond seemed
more economical for my situation without compromising quality. I have
had the instrument for 1.5 years and I would purchase another.
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: fish scales (Josie Britton)
2. RE: Leica vs Ventana (Karin Groeger)
3. alternates to absolute ethanol (Michael W. Folsom)
4. RE: maximum block cutting (Rene J Buesa)
5. Re: alternates to absolute ethanol (Rene J Buesa)
6. one more question about reagent alcohol (Michael W. Folsom)
7. RE: alternates to absolute ethanol (Owen, Michael P)
8. Re: maximum block cutting (Rene J Buesa)
9. RE: alternates to absolute ethanol (Rene J Buesa)
10. Re: maximum block cutting (jellin <@t> yumaregional.org)
11. Re: Leica vs Ventana (Akemi Allison)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:34:46 -0500
From: "Josie Britton" <JCBRITTON <@t> Cheshire-Med.COM>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] fish scales
To: "Josie Britton" <JCBRITTON <@t> Cheshire-Med.COM>, "Perry,
Margaret"
<Margaret.Perry <@t> sdstate.edu>, <histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
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Oh, I forgot to mention we do this after we face the block. We put a
little swirl on the block face and let it soak for 10-30+ minutes
depending on spec. You can usually get a ribbon, then you have to
re-soak for another ribbon. I hope this helps!
Josie Britton HT
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Britton
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:31 AM
To: Perry, Margaret; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] fish scales
Nair hair remover works great on toenails!
Josie Britton HT
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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Perry,
Margaret
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:32 PM
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Subject: [Histonet] fish scales
We are trying to cut fish scales that have been decalcified. They are
chunking out when we try to cut them. I think we need to soften the
keratin and I looked in the archives for the right dilution of
ammonium
hydroxide to use. One post said 5% the other said straight. What
dilution do you recommend? I'm think it would probably be the same as
what you use on toenails.
Margaret Perry HT(ASCP)
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:48:36 -0800
From: "Karin Groeger" <KGroeger <@t> USLABS.net>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana
To: "Mahoney,Janice A" <Janice.Mahoney <@t> alegent.org>, "Houston,
Ronald"
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We are a large Reference Lab and use both instruments and get good
results and vendor support from Leica and Ventana, if you are a small
lab then it should be your preference and what you feel comfortable
with.
Karin Groeger
Histology Supervisor
US LABS, Irvine,CA
949-450-0145 ext. 649
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Mahoney,Janice A
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:02 AM
To: 'Houston, Ronald'; Edwards,Richard E.; Sebree Linda A; Kathleen
Boozer; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana
I think these obscure emails about vendors are very damaging,
regardless
of who the vender is. If someone is experiencing a particular problem
with an instrument, please use this venue to get advice on how others
handled it. Be open about the problem so that we all can learn from
your experiences. To dog a company without any real information is
not
useful to anyone.
Both companies have good instruments that may suit different types of
labs better than the other.
I'll get off my soap box now.
Jan Mahoney, Omaha
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Houston,
Ronald
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:55 AM
To: Edwards, Richard E.; Sebree Linda A; Kathleen Boozer;
histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana
Probably depends on whether you're talking about a white elephant or
not
Ronnie Houston
Anatomic Pathology Manager
Nationwide Children's Hospital
Columbus OH 43205
(614) 722 5450
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From: Edwards, Richard E. [mailto:ree3 <@t> leicester.ac.uk]
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:52 AM
To: Houston, Ronald; Sebree Linda A; Kathleen Boozer;
histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana
This sounds like the game children play, so who would win the fight
between an elephant and a hippopotamus, or the fight between a banana
and a pomegranate etcetc.
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Houston,
Ronald
Sent: 11 December 2009 14:44
To: Sebree Linda A; Kathleen Boozer; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana
Not enough time in the day to answer that one
Ronnie Houston
Anatomic Pathology Manager
Nationwide Children's Hospital
Columbus OH 43205
(614) 722 5450
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Linda A
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:41 AM
To: Kathleen Boozer; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana
Why would you switch from a reliable, walk-away, reproducible system?
Just curious.
Linda A. Sebree
University of Wisconsin Hospital & Clinics
IHC/ISH Laboratory
DB1-223 VAH
600 Highland Ave.
Madison, WI 53792
(608)265-6596
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Kathleen
Boozer
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:08 AM
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana
Anyone out there found an advantage of going from Ventana to Leica for
IHC? I am being warned about extra costs and protocol issues with the
3
trays.
In negotiations....
Kathy Boozer, HT (ASCP), IHCQ
Adventist Medical Center
10123 SE Market St.
Portland, OR 97216
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:05:04 -0700
From: "Michael W. Folsom" <mwfolsom <@t> swcp.com>
Subject: [Histonet] alternates to absolute ethanol
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
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Hi:
I want to process some plant tissue for microtomy. When I was doing
this many years ago the protocol I used involved absolute ethanol.
Knowing that getting ethanol that is really anhydrous is hard I was
wondering if folks were using stuff that was denatured with 55%
absolute
methanol and 5% isoproponol instead. I understand it has better shelf
life but wondered about the addition of small mounts of methanol and
isopropanol.
Also, if anybody is using this can you recommend a supplier?
Thanks -
Mike
Rio Grand Biological
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:47:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Rene J Buesa <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu, histology <@t> medsurgpath.com,
Cathy <cfitz <@t> 007group.com>, ToniRathborne
<trathborne <@t> somerset-healthcare.com>
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Cutting : average of 2.5 min/block ( = 24/hour)
Trimming: average of 25 secs./block ( =144/hour)
RenΘ J.
--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Rathborne, Toni
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From: Rathborne, Toni <trathborne <@t> somerset-healthcare.com>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
To: "Rene J Buesa" <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>,
histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu, histology <@t> medsurgpath.com, "Cathy"
<cfitz <@t> 007group.com>
Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:03 AM
So what would the time be for trimming and cutting?
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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Rene J
Buesa
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:29 PM
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histology <@t> medsurgpath.com;
Cathy
Subject: RE: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
Just actual cutting. Trimming is considered another task.
RenΘ J.
--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Cathy <cfitz <@t> 007group.com> wrote:
From: Cathy <cfitz <@t> 007group.com>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
To: "'Rene J Buesa'" <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>,
histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu, histology <@t> medsurgpath.com
Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 12:22 PM
Does this average include trimming into the block or just the actual
cutting
of the section?
Cathy
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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J
Buesa
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:55 AM
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histology <@t> medsurgpath.com
Subject: Re: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
The productivity of a histotech is completely different with the number
of
slides a cytotech is allowed to screen daily.
In the first case the final product is not affected by an increase of
the
productivity but in the second it is. A cytotech has to exert judgment
while
screening and could get easily tired compromising his/her diagnostic
ability.
Having said that, the cutting range for histotechs is from 5 to 70
blocks/houráwith an average of 24 (sample size = 245 histolabs).
RenΘ J.
--- On Wed, 12/9/09, histology <@t> medsurgpath.com
<histology <@t> medsurgpath.com>
wrote:
From: histology <@t> medsurgpath.com <histology <@t> medsurgpath.com>
Subject: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 5:07 PM
Hi Histonet,
I know we have discussed the average blocks histotechs cut per hour,
but
does anyone know if there is a maximum blocks that can be cut per hour?
Or
per day? We have regulations for cytotechs who are reading slides for
maximum slides they can read per hour and are wondering if there is
any
similar regulation for histotechs.
Thank you all for you help,
Katelin
Katelin Lester, HTL (ASCP)
MedSurg Pathology Associates, Inc.
(503) 443-2157
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:03:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Rene J Buesa <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Histonet] alternates to absolute ethanol
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu, "Michael W. Folsom"
<mwfolsom <@t> swcp.com>
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Pure isopropyl = isopropanol = 2-propanol is a better dehydrant than
ethanol. Try it.
RenΘ J.
--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Michael W. Folsom <mwfolsom <@t> swcp.com> wrote:
From: Michael W. Folsom <mwfolsom <@t> swcp.com>
Subject: [Histonet] alternates to absolute ethanol
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 11:05 AM
Hi:
I want to process some plant tissue for microtomy.á When I was doing
this many years ago the protocol I used involved absolute ethanol.
Knowing that getting ethanol that is really anhydrous is hard I was
wondering if folks were using stuff that was denatured with 55%
absolute
methanol and 5% isoproponol instead.á I understand it has better shelf
life but wondered about the addition of small mounts of methanol and
isopropanol.
Also, if anybody is using this can you recommend a supplier?
Thanks -
Mike
Rio Grand Biological
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:14:21 -0700
From: "Michael W. Folsom" <mwfolsom <@t> swcp.com>
Subject: [Histonet] one more question about reagent alcohol
To: Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
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Folks:
Thanks for the many quick responses to my question about using
"reagent
alcohol" instead of 100% ethanol.
One further question - in plant histology its quite common to use
alcohol in fixatives - i.e. FAA, FPA & Farmers. Does anybody have
any
experience in using 190 proof reagent alcohol in a fixative? I know
it
introduces small amounts of methanol and isopropanol into the
"cocktail"
but not sure if that really matters -
Thanks for the advice/help!
Mike
Rio Grande Biological
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:23:31 -0500
From: "Owen, Michael P" <Michael.Owen <@t> fda.hhs.gov>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] alternates to absolute ethanol
To: "Histonet" <histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
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Dear Michael,
Have you tried absolute methanol? The cost of the reagent should be
less
expensive than absolute ethanol and is easier to obtain than absolute
ethanol (i.e. less legal restrictions than absolute ethanol that can
be
diverted to non-laboratory use).
When fixing bacterial smears for a variety of staining methods, I have
discovered absolute methanol works well and is often superior to heat
fixation.
Michael P. Owen, Regulatory Microbiologist
U.S. FDA Pacific Regional Lab Northwest
22201 23rd Drive SE Bothell, WA 98021-4421
Phone: 425-483-4865 E-Mail: michael.owen <@t> fda.hhs.gov
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:36:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Rene J Buesa <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
To: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu,
histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu,
histology <@t> medsurgpath.com, Cathy
<cfitz <@t> 007group.com>, ToniRathborne
<trathborne <@t> somerset-healthcare.com>, jellin <@t> yumaregional.org
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It is to be published in January 2010.
If you "accept" 24 blocks/hour = 2.5 min/block
RenΘ J.
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wrote:
From: jellin <@t> yumaregional.org <jellin <@t> yumaregional.org>
Subject: Re: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
To: "Rene J Buesa" <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>,
histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu,
histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu, histology <@t> medsurgpath.com, "Cathy"
<cfitz <@t> 007group.com>, "ToniRathborne"
<trathborne <@t> somerset-healthcare.com>
Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:10 PM
When was this data gathered... Some of this sounds excessive like 2.5
minutes a block??á Are these based on complete manual process or is
automation also taken into consideration.á
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Rene J Buesa <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:47:45
To: <histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>; <histology <@t> medsurgpath.com>;
Cathy<cfitz <@t> 007group.com>;
ToniRathborne<trathborne <@t> somerset-healthcare.com>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
Cutting : average of 2.5 min/block ( = 24/hour)
Trimming: average of 25 secs./block ( =144/hour)
RenΘ J.
--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Rathborne, Toni
<trathborne <@t> somerset-healthcare.com> wrote:
From: Rathborne, Toni <trathborne <@t> somerset-healthcare.com>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
To: "Rene J Buesa" <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>,
histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu, histology <@t> medsurgpath.com, "Cathy"
<cfitz <@t> 007group.com>
Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:03 AM
So what would the time be for trimming and cutting?
-----Original Message-----
From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Rene J
Buesa
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:29 PM
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histology <@t> medsurgpath.com;
Cathy
Subject: RE: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
Just actual cutting. Trimming is considered another task.
RenΘ J.
--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Cathy <cfitz <@t> 007group.com> wrote:
From: Cathy <cfitz <@t> 007group.com>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
To: "'Rene J Buesa'" <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>,
histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu, histology <@t> medsurgpath.com
Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 12:22 PM
Does this average include trimming into the block or just the actual
cutting
of the section?
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J
Buesa
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:55 AM
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histology <@t> medsurgpath.com
Subject: Re: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
The productivity of a histotech is completely different with the number
of
slides a cytotech is allowed to screen daily.
In the first case the final product is not affected by an increase of
the
productivity but in the second it is. A cytotech has to exert judgment
while
screening and could get easily tired compromising his/her diagnostic
ability.
Having said that, the cutting range for histotechs is from 5 to 70
blocks/houráwith an average of 24 (sample size = 245 histolabs).
RenΘ J.
--- On Wed, 12/9/09, histology <@t> medsurgpath.com
<histology <@t> medsurgpath.com>
wrote:
From: histology <@t> medsurgpath.com <histology <@t> medsurgpath.com>
Subject: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 5:07 PM
Hi Histonet,
I know we have discussed the average blocks histotechs cut per hour,
but
does anyone know if there is a maximum blocks that can be cut per hour?
Or
per day? We have regulations for cytotechs who are reading slides for
maximum slides they can read per hour and are wondering if there is
any
similar regulation for histotechs.
Thank you all for you help,
Katelin
Katelin Lester, HTL (ASCP)
MedSurg Pathology Associates, Inc.
(503) 443-2157
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:40:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Rene J Buesa <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] alternates to absolute ethanol
To: Histonet <histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>, Michael POwen
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The concern with methanol would be its toxicity. Methanol (TWA=200
ppm)áis 5 times more toxic than ethanol (TWA=1000 ppm) and twice more
toxic than 2-propanol (TWA=400ppm).
RenΘ J.
--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Owen, Michael P <Michael.Owen <@t> fda.hhs.gov>
wrote:
From: Owen, Michael P <Michael.Owen <@t> fda.hhs.gov>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] alternates to absolute ethanol
To: "Histonet" <histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:23 PM
Dear Michael,
Have you tried absolute methanol? The cost of the reagent should be
less
expensive than absolute ethanol and is easier to obtain than absolute
ethanol (i.e. less legal restrictions than absolute ethanol that can
be
diverted to non-laboratory use).
When fixing bacterial smears for a variety of staining methods, I have
discovered absolute methanol works well and is often superior to heat
fixation.
Michael P. Owen, Regulatory Microbiologist
U.S. FDA Pacific Regional Lab Northwest
22201 23rd Drive SEá Bothell, WA 98021-4421
Phone: 425-483-4865á áááE-Mail: michael.owen <@t> fda.hhs.gov
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:10:58 +0000
From: jellin <@t> yumaregional.org
Subject: Re: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
To: "Rene J Buesa" <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>,
histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu,
histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu,
histology <@t> medsurgpath.com, "Cathy"
<cfitz <@t> 007group.com>, "ToniRathborne"
<trathborne <@t> somerset-healthcare.com>
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When was this data gathered... Some of this sounds excessive like 2.5
minutes a block?? Are these based on complete manual process or is
automation also taken into consideration.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: Rene J Buesa <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:47:45
To: <histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>; <histology <@t> medsurgpath.com>;
Cathy<cfitz <@t> 007group.com>;
ToniRathborne<trathborne <@t> somerset-healthcare.com>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
Cutting : average of 2.5 min/block ( = 24/hour)
Trimming: average of 25 secs./block ( =144/hour)
RenΘ J.
--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Rathborne, Toni
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From: Rathborne, Toni <trathborne <@t> somerset-healthcare.com>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
To: "Rene J Buesa" <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>,
histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu, histology <@t> medsurgpath.com, "Cathy"
<cfitz <@t> 007group.com>
Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:03 AM
So what would the time be for trimming and cutting?
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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Rene J
Buesa
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:29 PM
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histology <@t> medsurgpath.com;
Cathy
Subject: RE: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
Just actual cutting. Trimming is considered another task.
RenΘ J.
--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Cathy <cfitz <@t> 007group.com> wrote:
From: Cathy <cfitz <@t> 007group.com>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
To: "'Rene J Buesa'" <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>,
histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu, histology <@t> medsurgpath.com
Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 12:22 PM
Does this average include trimming into the block or just the actual
cutting
of the section?
Cathy
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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J
Buesa
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:55 AM
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histology <@t> medsurgpath.com
Subject: Re: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
The productivity of a histotech is completely different with the number
of
slides a cytotech is allowed to screen daily.
In the first case the final product is not affected by an increase of
the
productivity but in the second it is. A cytotech has to exert judgment
while
screening and could get easily tired compromising his/her diagnostic
ability.
Having said that, the cutting range for histotechs is from 5 to 70
blocks/houráwith an average of 24 (sample size = 245 histolabs).
RenΘ J.
--- On Wed, 12/9/09, histology <@t> medsurgpath.com
<histology <@t> medsurgpath.com>
wrote:
From: histology <@t> medsurgpath.com <histology <@t> medsurgpath.com>
Subject: [Histonet] maximum block cutting
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 5:07 PM
Hi Histonet,
I know we have discussed the average blocks histotechs cut per hour,
but
does anyone know if there is a maximum blocks that can be cut per hour?
Or
per day? We have regulations for cytotechs who are reading slides for
maximum slides they can read per hour and are wondering if there is
any
similar regulation for histotechs.
Thank you all for you help,
Katelin
Katelin Lester, HTL (ASCP)
MedSurg Pathology Associates, Inc.
(503) 443-2157
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:53:08 -0700
From: Akemi Allison <akemiat3377 <@t> yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana
To: "Mahoney,Janice A" <Janice.Mahoney <@t> alegent.org>
Cc: "histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu"
<histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>, Sebree Linda A
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<Ronald.Houston <@t> nationwidechildrens.org>, Kathleen Boozer
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Hi Janice,
I'm glad you brought up your point! It's amazing how people are. It
just shows how narrow minded and unkind in their statements. Yes,
Ventana is HUGE, but they have their faults as well! That being
said, there is always room to build a better mouse trap and save
money while doing it too! The new Bond is amazing and is capable of
doing multiple IHC staining on (1) slide. It is also a open
system. "Science never sleeps"!
Thank you for speaking out, and hope you have a Wonderful Holiday
Season!
Akemi
Akemi Allison BS, HT (ASCP) HTL
Director
Phoenix Lab Consulting
Tele: 408.335.9994
E-Mail: akemiat3377 <@t> yahoo.com
On Dec 11, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Mahoney,Janice A wrote:
> I think these obscure emails about vendors are very damaging,
> regardless of who the vender is. If someone is experiencing a
> particular problem with an instrument, please use this venue to get
> advice on how others handled it. Be open about the problem so that
> we all can learn from your experiences. To dog a company without
> any real information is not useful to anyone.
> Both companies have good instruments that may suit different types
> of labs better than the other.
> I'll get off my soap box now.
> Jan Mahoney, Omaha
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-
> bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Houston, Ronald
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:55 AM
> To: Edwards, Richard E.; Sebree Linda A; Kathleen Boozer;
> histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana
>
> Probably depends on whether you're talking about a white elephant
> or not
>
> Ronnie Houston
> Anatomic Pathology Manager
> Nationwide Children's Hospital
> Columbus OH 43205
> (614) 722 5450
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edwards, Richard E. [mailto:ree3 <@t> leicester.ac.uk]
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: Houston, Ronald; Sebree Linda A; Kathleen Boozer;
> histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana
>
> This sounds like the game children play, so who would win the
fight
> between an elephant and a hippopotamus, or the fight between a
banana
> and a pomegranate etcetc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of
> Houston,
> Ronald
> Sent: 11 December 2009 14:44
> To: Sebree Linda A; Kathleen Boozer;
histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana
>
> Not enough time in the day to answer that one
>
> Ronnie Houston
> Anatomic Pathology Manager
> Nationwide Children's Hospital
> Columbus OH 43205
> (614) 722 5450
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of
Sebree
> Linda A
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:41 AM
> To: Kathleen Boozer; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana
>
> Why would you switch from a reliable, walk-away, reproducible
system?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Linda A. Sebree
> University of Wisconsin Hospital & Clinics
> IHC/ISH Laboratory
> DB1-223 VAH
> 600 Highland Ave.
> Madison, WI 53792
> (608)265-6596
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of
> Kathleen
> Boozer
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:08 AM
> To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana
>
>
> Anyone out there found an advantage of going from Ventana to Leica
for
> IHC? I am being warned about extra costs and protocol issues with
> the 3
> trays.
>
> In negotiations....
>
>
> Kathy Boozer, HT (ASCP), IHCQ
> Adventist Medical Center
> 10123 SE Market St.
> Portland, OR 97216
> boozerka <@t> ah.org
>
>
>
>
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