SPAM-LOW: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana

Fri Dec 11 16:19:14 CST 2009

We have both and each serves it's purpose, I like using the Leica Bond for
research and find it to be a much more open system (with research version of
the software, and you can switch back and forth from research and clincal on
the same instrument, so the clinical work I do on the Bond is clinical
research, not pure clinical, because right now I have my Bond in a non CAP
lab, I could move it to the CAP lab and then use it for clinical work down
there, I could still do research on it as well I believe, because for CAP
you cannot report out clinical samples in a non CAP lab, but you can do as
much research in a CAP clinical lab as you want, those rules only go that
direction, research only in a non CAP lab, but a CAP certified lab can do
research and clinical).  Down stairs in the Derm Path lab they use just the
Ventana Ultra and seem to be happy with that.  As far as cost, each of them
will tell you the other will cost more than theirs to run, I haven't had
both of them long enough to say who is right but I amagine they will be
comparable, each company does market research and knows what the market will
bare and what they have to sell their stuff for to stay competitive the
other, so I would be surprised if there was a huge huge difference in costs.
For me it comes down to who you feel the most comfortable with, and who you
trust, that is all I have to say about that. 

Regards,

Patsy

Patsy Ruegg, HT(ASCP)QIHC
IHCtech, LLC
Fitzsimmons BioScience Park
12635 Montview Blvd. Suite 215
Aurora, CO 80010
P-720-859-4060
F-720-859-4110
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From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Karin
Groeger
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:49 AM
To: Mahoney,Janice A; Houston, Ronald; Edwards,Richard E.; Sebree Linda A;
Kathleen Boozer; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: SPAM-LOW: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana

We are a large Reference Lab and use both instruments and get good results
and vendor support from Leica and Ventana,  if you are a small lab then it
should be your preference and what you feel comfortable with.

Karin Groeger

Histology Supervisor

US LABS, Irvine,CA

949-450-0145 ext. 649

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of
Mahoney,Janice A
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:02 AM
To: 'Houston, Ronald'; Edwards,Richard E.; Sebree Linda A; Kathleen Boozer;
histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana

I think these obscure emails about vendors are very damaging, regardless of
who the vender is.  If someone is experiencing a particular problem with an
instrument, please use this venue to get advice on how others handled it.
Be open about the problem so that we all can learn from your experiences.
To dog a company without any real information is not useful to anyone.
Both companies have good instruments that may suit different types of labs
better than the other.
I'll get off my soap box now.
Jan Mahoney, Omaha

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Houston,
Ronald
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:55 AM
To: Edwards, Richard E.; Sebree Linda A; Kathleen Boozer;
histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana

Probably depends on whether you're talking about a white elephant or not

Ronnie Houston
Anatomic Pathology Manager
Nationwide Children's Hospital
Columbus OH 43205
(614) 722 5450

-----Original Message-----
From: Edwards, Richard E. [mailto:ree3 <@t> leicester.ac.uk]
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:52 AM
To: Houston, Ronald; Sebree Linda A; Kathleen Boozer;
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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana

This sounds like the game  children play,  so who  would win the fight
between an elephant and a hippopotamus, or the fight  between a banana and a
pomegranate etcetc.

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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Houston,
Ronald
Sent: 11 December 2009 14:44
To: Sebree Linda A; Kathleen Boozer; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana

Not enough time in the day to answer that one

Ronnie Houston
Anatomic Pathology Manager
Nationwide Children's Hospital
Columbus OH 43205
(614) 722 5450

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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sebree Linda
A
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:41 AM
To: Kathleen Boozer; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana

Why would you switch from a reliable, walk-away, reproducible system?

Just curious.

Linda A. Sebree
University of Wisconsin Hospital & Clinics IHC/ISH Laboratory
DB1-223 VAH
600 Highland Ave.
Madison, WI 53792
(608)265-6596

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[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Kathleen
Boozer
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To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] Leica vs Ventana

Anyone out there found an advantage of going from Ventana to Leica for IHC?
I am being warned about extra costs and protocol issues with the 3 trays.

In negotiations....

Kathy Boozer, HT (ASCP), IHCQ
Adventist Medical Center
10123 SE Market St.
Portland, OR  97216
boozerka <@t> ah.org

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