[Histonet] Microtome calibration

Sat Nov 1 03:43:46 CDT 2008

Dear Pamela/Rene/Frauke

Thank you all for your comments and suggestions. As you are rightly
saying , this is happening where an auditor is not aware of histological
procedures.They just think of calibration/validation of any instrument
which is part of GLP activities.
We did ask them to tell us how to calibrate the microtome, They talk about
block movement, measuring the block thickness with vernier caliperse (!??),
one auditor even suggested to use fruits or rubber like material to measure
the thickness of section cut.
I think educating them is a better option than actually doing this useless
exercise.

We do have a quality check before the slides reach Pathologist for review.
But these guys are not convinced.

Thanks once again
Regards
Girish

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We have a GLP person who is not familiar with Histology at all.  We have
had
to educate her about these issues and may other things.  Calibration
finally
came down to having a PM on the units every year.  After she understood all
the things we do with a section during the cutting phase and pick up that
would alter a true measurement.

We also do MMA sections on the microtome and even those are next to
impossible to measure due to some stretching of the section during pick up
and drying.  Oh Yes, the drying of the slides really put her in a tail spin
as this was just not allowing the sections to stay the same as when they
were picked up.

Sometimes a long talk and demonstration is the only way to make the point
that we are not standardized like clinical chemistry etc.

Pamela A Marcum
University of Pennsylvania
School of Veterinary Medicine
Comparative Orthopedic Laboratory (CORL)
382 W Street Rd
Kennett Square PA 19438
610-925-6278

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Buesa
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:08 AM
To: Dr. med. Frauke Neff
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Subject: Re: [Histonet] Microtome calibration

Frauke:
That calibration is ussually done by measuring the advance mechanism of the
block holder and how many µm the block moves towards the blade, but that is
rubbish.
René J.

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Dr. med. Frauke Neff <nefff <@t> staff.uni-marburg.de>
wrote:

From: Dr. med. Frauke Neff <nefff <@t> staff.uni-marburg.de>
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Microtome calibration
To: rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com
Cc: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu, anhtx <@t> drreddys.com
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:41 AM

Dear Dr. Girish,
I agree with rene, if the qualitiy of the cuts is fine it doesn't matter if
they
 are 1µm or 2.3µm thick.
But I'm highly interested in how your GLP auditors want to calibrate the
thickness of the section cuts. Are you supposed to measure the slides after
cutting?! Before or after stretching in the water bath?! If they have a
protocol how to do this I would be happy if they can share it with us.

Frauke

Quoting Rene J Buesa <rjbuesa <@t> yahoo.com>:

> Dr. Girish:
>
> BOTH "requirements" are rubbish invented by bureaucrats with
lots of time in
> their hands and trying to appear concerned and knowledgeable.
>
> Thickness is not necessary as long as the section is diagnostically
useful
or
> if some quantitative method as to the intensity is done in which case
> thickness = amount of matter, and would influence the outcome of the
> quantitative process.
>
> Timing the tissue processor is also totally irrelevant because it does
not
> really matter a few minutes each way during a processing protocol. More
> important would be to keep a record of the fixation time that is the only
> step really critical in tissue processing.
>
> René J.
>
> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, anhtx <@t> drreddys.com <anhtx <@t> drreddys.com> wrote:
>
> From: anhtx <@t> drreddys.com <anhtx <@t> drreddys.com>
> Subject: [Histonet] Microtome calibration
> To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 2:49 AM
>
>
>
> Dear all
>
> Is anyone practising microtome calibration for thickness of sections cut?
> Our GLP auditors are frequently asking for it.
> They also suggest that automatic tissue processor time in each reagent
> should be calibrated.
>
> any comments
>
> Regards
> Dr Girish
> India
>
>
>
>
>
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