[Histonet] (para)formaldehyde

[Tony Henwood]

AND
I agree.

Its now getting more precise in the Science.

I would suggest that the NSH put together a committee to determine policy on the nomenclature of formalin solutions so that we can call the lemon the lemon and not the "Sprite" or "Solo" that we seem to have found ourselves in.

Hopefully we can then agree on what we are going to call the stuff.
There is definitely enough publications out there to start from.

Regards

Tony Henwood JP, MSc, BAppSc, GradDipSysAnalys, CT(ASC)
Laboratory Manager & Senior Scientist
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-----Original Message-----
From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa
Sent: Saturday, 30 August 2008 12:28 AM
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu; MKing
Subject: Re: [Histonet] (para)formaldehyde


Just for detail sake, methanal (formaldehyde) does NOT decompose in water, it just reacts with it to become methanediol (methylene glycol) and the amount not reacting and remaining as formaldehyde has been estimated in about 0.1% of the total in a 4% formalin solution. The alcohol methanol is added NOT to prevent the formaldehyde hydration, but to as a stabilizer, to retard its polymerization, so it is very likely that between the moment a 4% formaldehyde solution is prepared using paraformaldehyde to the moment it starts to penetrate, bind and cross-link it will be very close to 4% René J.

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, MKing <making <@t> ufl.edu> wrote:

From: MKing <making <@t> ufl.edu>
Subject: [Histonet] (para)formaldehyde
To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 10:14 AM

The statement that 4% paraformaldehyde solution contains nothing but 
water and formaldehyde is simply not true: as has been discussed 
thoroughly and often on Histonet (see archives), formaldehyde in aqueous 
solution spontaneously decomposes.  This is precisely why formalin 
solutions are used, with methanol 'parking' the chemical reaction. 
Without measurement one never knows exactly how much formaldehyde is 
really present in solutions made from paraformaldehyde, although freshly 
made solutions will have concentrations closest to 4%.  It is highly 
improbable that 3.8 and 4.0% solutions would produce any detectable and 
reproducible differences on any histological procedure, although the 
methanol added to formalin might.

Mike King
UF Pharmacology & Therapeutics

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:26:19 -0400
From: "Monfils, Paul" <PMonfils <@t> Lifespan.org>
Subject: RE: [Histonet] (para)formaldehyde
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10% formalin and 4% paraformaldehyde are interchangeable for most 
purposes (in histology at least).  However there are a couple of minor 
differences.  First, commercial formaldehyde solution contains 37% to 
38% formaldehyde.  Therefore diluting it 1:9 results in a solution 
containing 3.7% to 3.8% formaldehyde, while a 4% solution of 
paraformaldehyde in water contains a full 4% formaldehyde.  Secondly, 
commercial formaldehyde solution contains 10% to 15% methanol as a 
preservative.  Therefore diluting it 1:9 results in a solution 
containing 1.0% to 1.5% methanol.  This is not a problem for most 
histological applications, but it could be a problem in a procedure 
where sources of methylation have to be avoided.  4% paraformaldehyde 
solution contains no methanol - nothing but water and formaldehyde.

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