[Histonet] Question about taking test

[Morken, Tim]

Derek, glad to know the ASCP is consistent - We had the same problem
when I took the test in the late '80's and the pictures were printed in
booklets! I fact, I'll bet they're probably the same pictures!!

Tim Morken



-----Original Message-----
From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Derek
Papalegis
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:32 AM
To: lpwenk <@t> sbcglobal.net
Cc: Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Question about taking test

I have my BS and have been in histology for over 3 years and I finally
found the time to take the HT exam. I found the test to be flawed in
many aspects and didn't let me accurately demonstrate my knowledge of
histology. I knew Carson's book and Bancroft and Gamble's book from
front to back and was extremely confident when I walked into the test.. 
After going through the test, I didn't feel as confident until I saw the
tiny word on the screen that everyone wants to see: "PASS". The problem
I had with the test is that histology is a very visual discipline. We
are expected to be able to view slides and determine what stain was used
and if that stain is adequate. The pictures on the exam were frequently
blurry, the colors were skewed (the red in trichrome was a pale brown)
and seemed to intentionally try to confuse the test taker instead of
merely testing the knowledge of the person taking the exam. Over the
years I have seen many slides that were not acceptable and could
accurately trouble-shoot them but the slides on the exam were not even
close to being acceptable. The ASCP set such high standards for stains
when there was a practical portion of the exam but they seemed to drop
the ball when they set the standards for the pictures that they use for
the computer portion.

That is my two cents... I feel that someone could know the subject
material extremely well but then be tripped up by the seemingly
intentionally misleading pictures and questions on the test.

--
Derek Papalegis HT (ASCP)
Histotechnician
Division of Laboratory Animal Medicine
Tufts University
136 Harrison Avenue
Boston, MA 02111
phone: 617 636-2971
fax: 617 636-8354



Lee & Peggy Wenk wrote:
> There are two parts to qualifying to take the HTL exam. First, the BS 
> degree with 30 hours of biology AND chemistry combined plus a minimum 
> of 1 year's experience within the last 10 years under pathologist 
> certified by the American Board of Pathology in Anatomic pathology (or

> the equivalent of a PhD.
>
> Second, the experience must be within the last 10 years, and cover 
> fixation, microtomy, processing and staining. There are no other
specifications.
>
> So the microtomy CAN be just frozen sections (or just plastics, or 
> just paraffin, etc.).
>
> So the staining CAN be just H&E.
>
> (BTW, This experience criteria is the same for the HT exam.)
>
> Now, with that said, the exams WILL have questions covering ALL 
> aspects of histotechnology - fixation, processing, decalcification, 
> microtomy (frozen and paraffin), all special stains, IHC, tissue ID 
> for all tissues, enzymes on the HTL, safety, equipment, lab math, etc.
>
> So anyone who works in just one specialty area (Mohs, derm, GI, etc.),

> will be at a disadvantage. They will need a lot of books, atlases, and

> a lot of time to learn all that is required. They can pass, but it 
> will take a lot more work than someone who routinely sees a variety of

> tissues and does a variety of special stains. The last two cycles of 
> HTL exams, 51% and 70% of applicants were able to pass the HTL exam.
>
> Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
> William Beaumont Hospital
> Royal Oak, MI 48073
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Robyn 
> Vazquez
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:25 PM
> To: Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: [Histonet] Question about taking test
>
>  
> Hello, I have a question to ask.  I have a co-worker that is 
> interested in taking the test and has a B.S.  We work in a Mohs lab, 
> but not an actual histology lab where we would do special stains. She 
> has been here almost 4 years doing mostly Mohs surgeries, very little 
> paraffin processing.  As I am understanding it, is that she would have

> to have 1 year experience in a histology lab doing special stains and
paraffin cutting and processing?
> Since they don't make you do special stains and send them in, then she

> would have to prove that she can perform a special stain and that is 
> where the 1 year experience comes in?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Robyn
> OHSU
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Histonet mailing list
> Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Histonet mailing list
> Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
>   



_______________________________________________
Histonet mailing list
Histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet