[Histonet] Expired antibodies...for immunos..

[Joe Nocito]

Hear, hear Markus

-----Original Message-----
From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Markus F.
Meyenhofer
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:46 AM
To: Jan Shivers; histonet
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Expired antibodies...for immunos..

The same goes for lab chemicals! Like Sodium Chloride, after millions of 
years in the ground, it will expire in a few years! That's when bureaucrats 
with no technical ideas and common sense  make rules!
Markus F. Meyenhofer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jan Shivers" <shive003 <@t> umn.edu>
To: "histonet" <histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Expired antibodies...for immunos..


> And let us not forget that it's the antibody manufacturers who set these 
> expiration dates.  Is there an actual science behind determining an 
> antibody's 'lifespan', or is it more of a business profit decision?  It's 
> certainly cost-inefficient for a lab to pay upwards of $500 for an 
> antibody which you only use a few times before its expiration date hits, 
> yet the doctors/clients want these tests available.
>
> If we can't change the wording on the rules and regulations in regards to 
> using antibodies past their expiration date, despite proof of their 
> continued reactivity... then we should encourage the manufacturers to set 
> more reasonable expiration dates.... or sell in smaller quantities, as 
> Peggy stated below.
>
> Jan Shivers
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lee & Peggy Wenk" <lpwenk <@t> sbcglobal.net>
> To: <KMB1904 <@t> aol.com>; <histonet <@t> pathology.swmed.edu>
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 4:48 AM
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Expired antibodies...for immunos..
>
>
>> JCAHO, CAP, etc. all refer labs back to the CMS (Center for Medicare and
>> Medicaid Services) and HHS (Health and Human Services), which go back to 
>> the
>> Federal government regulations, as laid out in 42CFR 493 (Code of Federal
>> Regulations - Laboratory Requirements):
>>
>> Specifically, 42CFR 493.1252(d)
>> (1252 = Standard on Tests systems, Equipment, Instruments, Reagents,
>> Materials, and Supplies)
>>
>> (d) = "Reagents, solutions, culture media, control materials, calibration
>> materials, and other supplies must not be used when they have exceeded 
>> their
>> expiration date, have deteriorated, or are of substandard quality."
>>
>> http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_04/42cfr493_04.html
>>
>> (Hope the link works.)
>>
>> Sorry, there's no exception for costly IHC or ISH solutions that cost a 
>> lot
>> of money and that we know we can "prove" are still good.
>>
>> The only thing I can see us histotechs doing is persuading the 
>> manufacturers
>> to sell the reagents in smaller quantities. (Which they already have, 
>> over
>> the years.)
>>
>> Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
>> William Beaumont Hospital
>> Royal Oak, MI 48073
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of
>> KMB1904 <@t> aol.com
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:24 PM
>> To: histonet <@t> pathology.swmed.edu
>> Subject: [Histonet] Expired antibodies...for immunos..
>>
>> How does JCAHO handle expired antibodies if you have them...and are using
>> them...
>>  Is it ok ....or not??
>>   Kat
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