[Histonet] RE: QIHC change
Colleen Forster
cforster <@t> umn.edu
Wed Nov 16 12:27:10 CST 2005
I agree with Pam ...completely. I too do research and I am HT certified
because I started in the clinical route. While in the clinical lab I
tested for the QIHC. It has been a GREAT benefit for me in my research
positions and I encourage all people pursuning histology work weather
research or clinicla to get registered. One never knows what turns life
might take and the added skills/knoweledge will be a benefit!!
ASCP definitiely needs to widen their range!
Colleen Forster
U of MN
Pamela Marcum wrote:
> Hi Tim and Jamie,
>
> I know Jamie and have for many years and you are right anyone would be
> happy to hire him for his experience in clinical or his current
> research position. However, it is also true that now research
> positions are often asking for at least an HT or even HTL (ASCP) to
> fill position with histology as the main focus. Yet we are given a
> set of criteria for tissue that often excludes animal research
> applicants from completing the practical easily. I took my HT many
> years ago and I was told that even in a research position (and I had a
> BS at the time) it would improve my salary and increase me to higher
> level in the university if I got my HT. I was told not to use animal
> tissue (1976) as no one reading the exam could properly read them.
> Now we have veterinary person there and tissue requirements can still
> eliminate some people or make it almost impossible to complete the
> practical with out help in procurement. Why should that happen to
> some one attempting to improve their position within the histology
> community?
>
> My real problem with what you said about the QIHC is that I would also
> like to take it and can not qualify either. Yet those of us in
> research are often finding the very antibodies and test methods
> companies and diagnostics later fight to get or learn. We are exempt
> in your mind and ASCP's even though research is what you depend on
> often for advances. I have never and will never understand this logic
> and exempt status for those of us who chose not to be clinical. We
> are still often required to have or get ASCP status as a way to
> advance and prove we know our field. ASCP needs to get up to date on
> the fields it is registering or make new categories for those of still
> contribute to clinical advances every year.
>
> Sorry if sounds like I am picking on you Tim. I just don't see how
> we are required to be registered on one hand for acceptance (even NSH
> likes to see it) and discounted on the other.
>
> Pam Marcum
> UPENN Vet School
> New Bolton Center
> Kennett Square, PA 19384
> 610-925-6278
>
>
> At 12:07 PM 11/16/2005, Morken, Tim - Labvision wrote:
>
>> Jamie, It seems from what you say that you are working in a research
>> lab. Is
>> that correct? My understanding about the ASCP certification is that
>> it is
>> aimed at providing a modicum of proof that a person is qualified to
>> work in
>> a medical diagnostic lab. Research labs are not considered
>> diagnostic labs.
>> As you imply, a person in a research lab will often work on only a
>> limited
>> sample set. Therefore, it is meaningless to apply the the ASCP
>> standard to
>> research people.
>>
>> If you are planning to move into the diagnostic field, then I'll bet
>> you
>> could easily find a job in a diagnostic lab, get the experience, and
>> qualify
>> to take the test. It may be that some diagnostic labs have a suggested
>> requirement to be ASCP certified as a QIHC, but the vast majority
>> would be
>> happy to find someone with the experience you outline, even if they
>> had not
>> previously worked in a diagnositc lab.
>>
>> Tim Morken
>> Lab Vision - Neomarkers
>> www.labvision.com
>>
>> Free webhosting for US State Histotechnology Societies:
>> http://www.labvisioncorp.com/demowebsite/index.cfm
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of James
>> Watson
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:28 AM
>> To: novanity <@t> nc.rr.com; histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>> Subject: RE: [Histonet] RE: QIHC change
>>
>>
>> This is my point. With the requirements listed below someone with 25
>> years
>> of experience doing immuno (single, double, triple antibody staining,
>> making
>> own antibodies, and in situ Hybridization: all with and without using
>> kits,
>> all with and without using an automated stainer) is not qualified for
>> this
>> certification if they work in a research facility where
>> immunophenotyping is
>> not done. There is no system of doing it on your own to prove that
>> you have
>> the capability to do immunophenotyping in order to fullfil this
>> requirement.
>> I guess it is time to start harrassing ASCP about the unfairness of this
>> system.
>>
>> >From almost always sunny San Diego
>> Jamie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu on behalf of
>> novanity <@t> nc.rr.com
>> Sent: Wed 11/16/2005 5:55 AM
>> To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>> Cc:
>> Subject: [Histonet] RE: QIHC change
>>
>>
>>
>> James, to qualify for the qualification you take the 50 question
>> test
>> and submit an employer reference form + of course satisfy one
>> of the
>> three routes. There is no practical to submit anymore. I think
>> that is
>> what you are asking. It seems to me that it wouldn't matter
>> about
>> specificity antigens/markers or what diseases or human
>> cells. There
>> is
>> no requirement other than what is requested on the employer
>> reference
>> form which you can't see the details until you order and receive
>> your
>> packet. Is it possible for anyone to post a copy of the employer
>> reference form. From the ASCP website this is what it says "
>>
>> Qualification in Immunohistochemistry
>> Experience requirements
>>
>> Applicants must have experience in the following areas
>>
>> * Immunohistochemical and Immunofluorescence Preparation
>> All of the following should have been performed by the
>> applicant
>> o staining technique
>> o selection of proper control material
>> o titration of immunologic reagents
>>
>> * Immunophenotyping
>> in at least one of the following applications
>> o immunodeficiencies
>> o immunoproliferative disorders (neoplastic and
>> non-neoplastic
>> disorders)
>> o transplantation biopsies
>> o other immunophenotyping applications
>> please specify: ______________________
>>
>> * Quality Assurance
>> The applicant should have participated in Quality
>> Assurance
>> related to all of the following
>> o specimen fixation, processing, microtomy
>> o reagent selection, preparation, storage, disposal
>> o method selection, validation, documentation
>> o quality control
>> o safety
>>
>> " This is the experience which I am assuming is only
>> documented for
>> the
>> ASCP through the employer reference form, hence if you only
>> do A and
>> C
>> and not B you can't qualify unless your employer is dishonest
>> on the
>> form. Because even if you crosstrain into what I assume is flow
>> cytometry but don't actually work it day to day as part of
>> your job
>> you
>> do not qualify because you have not had experience doing it
>> for a
>> minimun of 12 months. As for research, same thing if you do
>> all of
>> it
>> every day then your good to go. If not it is a grey or is it
>> gray
>> area
>> that I'm looking more information/details on. In the past you
>> qualified your work with different immuno stains as a
>> practical , I
>> don't remember there being a flow requirement. Maybe I'm
>> wrong but
>> anyone have this info I'm looking for.
>>
>> G Hurlburt HT(ASCP)
>> sunny and warm NC
>>
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