Clarification...wage survey source...[Histonet] RE: Salary Su rvey

Mon Aug 22 15:28:16 CDT 2005

In my opinion, all the responses have been valid and rational.  I've been in
ASCP actively and yes it is anecdotal but I've never received a survey as an
individual or a manager.  Outliers in this survey must surely be more than a
few.  That database of salaries simply does not fully reflect reality and
the real world....in my opinion.  And by way, way more than statistical
error from what I've seen and experienced and know.  Perhaps it is time for
a different database to be generated and in a completely different way by
different people since the data, while it might be statistically and
technically correct, is prejudicial and logically incorrect.  That's not a
solution-just an observation.

Ray

Raymond Koelling
Research Scientist, Pathology
Amgen Corp.
Seattle

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Salary Su rvey

OK, I went and looked at the 2002 ASCP survey, part 1 (same link as below).
In that one they detail more clearly who they sent the survey to:  "The
sample represented all laboratory managers who were in the ASCP membership
database." 

However, this 2002 article says nothing about using the "...Centers for
Medicare and Medicaid database of all legally operating licensed clinical
laboratories in the United States. " So maybe that is a new change.

Tim Morken

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Subject: RE: wage survey source...[Histonet] RE: Salary Survey

The ASCP 2003 Wage survey article (
http://www.ascp.org/bor/center/center_research.asp ) says a "A
representative sample of clinical laboratories by facility type was drawn
from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid database of all legally operating
licensed clinical laboratories in the United States. Of the 33,674
laboratories in this database, 9,738 facilities were selected to participate
in the survey.  A total of 1,682 laboratories responded to the survey
yielding a response rate of 17%. This number of respondents provides an
overall sampling margin of error of +/- 2.4% at the 95% confidence level for
total sample statistics at the national level." However, it goes on to say
not all specialities are at all lab locations so response rate and margin of
error varies between specialties.

They don't say in the article, but I seem to remember that the survey is
sent to the lab management, not individual technologists. The authors don't
provide the quesitonaire so we don't know what was asked, whether individual
salaries or averages of a given group. 

Anyway, there are always outliers not caugt in in any survey. An anecdotal
knowledge of a given lab that pays higher than a survey is a certainty.

Tim Morken

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One thing I was told is that ASCP only surveys technicians that are ACTIVE
members of ASCP and not all registered Histotechs. If you don't pay the
annual dues you don't get surveyed.  This could explain the false numbers by
eliminating a large portion of the histology work force.  Here, only one out
of my seven histotechs is an active member. 

Chuck

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Diane,

I have found the same.  I'm not sure if histotechs are not reporting their
real salaries to the ASCP or what, but I have found that the payscales
listed in the survey are SIGNIFICANTLY lower than what employers in
Wisconsin are really paying for newly hired histotechs.  The survey has
actually become a tool for employers to use to justify paying histotechs
less so I would strongly suggest that any techs answering this survey report
their real wages.

Glen Dawson

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Subject: [Histonet] RE: Salary Survey

Theresa, 
The ASCP does do a salary and vacancy survey, however, actual salaries are
not reflected in those reports. For your area, Ohio in the East North
Central area, the 2003 ASCP survey reported the salaries of HT from $14.43
to $18.82. Recently I was gathering this same information to take to my
managers for a possible adjustment in our ranges, I received reports from
HT's working in your area making from $3.19 to $5.13 more per hour than the
ASCP report indicated. I also used the internet link for Bank Rate.Com Cost
of Living Comparison Calculator to calculate the salaries reported by actual
workers compared to the salaries reported by the ASCP. This showed that the
actual salaries employers were willing to pay were higher than adjustments
made for the cost of living in certain cities.  I asked the NSH to help with
a salary survey and was dissapointed to have them tell me that they use the
ASCP reports. The recent reply to the Letters to the Editor in the August
15th issue of Advance magazine was from the president of the NSH.  His
reponse was, again, disappointing on several counts. 
What do the rest of the HistoNetters think? 

Diane Cadorette-Hall, HT (ASCP)
Pathology Laboratory Supervisor
St. Johns Regional Health Center
1235 East Cherokee
Springfield, Missouri 65804
(417) 820-6492
Fax: (417) 820-7790
DCadoretteHall <@t> sprg.mercy.net

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