[Histonet] What percent of HTL's do not have a BS degree?

Wed Jul 15 09:45:29 CDT 2009

Kemlo,

You may not know who the pimp is, but you know who got screwed.

Victor

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Kemlo Rogerson wrote:
> "The histology world doesn't look for well qualified workers they look
> for cheap labor (SIC).  I have heard more than one pathologist state
> that "a monkey can do our job." "
>
> See my other post. The retort ought to be that a Histology BMS/
> Histotech can do yours!! A honest Pathologist once told me that a good
> Histotech could report 80% of what he did, you needed some medical
> knowledge to maybe report the next 15% or so, Pathologists with a
> speciality probably reported the next 2% or 3% and it took an expert to
> deal with the top few percent. He taught me Pathology of the skin and I
> was good at it; I naturally then became a Cytologist as there's no way,
> without a MRCPath, that I could ever report skin biopsies.
>
> A Gynaecologist friend of mine once told that the Pathologist/ Histotech
> (BMS) relationship was perceived by many of his colleagues to be the
> last bastion of prostitution. I never figured out who was the pimp!! 
>
>
>  
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael
> Bradley
> Sent: 14 July 2009 21:50
> To: Weems, Joyce
> Cc: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: Re: [Histonet] What percent of HTL's do not have a BS degree?
>
> HI all
>
> I am a rarity.  I am an HTL with a Bachelors Degree.  I got my HTL in
> the early 90s and I guess I was misguided because I thought it would
> open more doors for me than just an HT.  I was sadly mistaken.  After I
> passed my test I waited 9 months for a raise and promotion (which was
> just a greater title) and when I got my raise so did 2 other employees
> that didn't even have or try for their certification.  I spent many
> nights and weekends studying and doing my stains for the test.  I am
> proud of my accomplishments.  It is a shame that our industry does not
> reconize the difference between HT and HTL.  A few years back I was
> working as a traveling histotech and when I tried to get a permanent
> position no one wanted to hire me because I was over qualified by having
> over 15 years experience and a HTL certification.
> I worked hard to no avail.  The histology world doesn't look for well
> qualified workers they look for cheap labor.  I have heard more than one
> pathologist state that "a monkey can do our job."  I have also worked in
> a lab where they would hire someone with a GED to cut slides.  A career
> in histology is for the most part a dead end and there is no future.  As
> long as our industry doesn't respect education and experience there will
> be less and less histotechs and the quality of the slides will suffer
> which in turn will bring down patient care.
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> MB proud HTL
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Weems, Joyce <JWeems <@t> sjha.org> wrote:
>
>   
>> Honey... You are a mere child! There are some of us that have been in 
>> the business for 40+ years. I missed the grandfather approach by 7 mo 
>> - time that I didn't work moving from place to place with my military 
>> ex-husband.
>>
>> But I did finally get the degree and do the exam. But we're still 
>> around. And I'll probably be working till I'm 100!!! J:>)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>>  [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of 
>> Thomas Jasper
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 15:16
>> To: Feher, Stephen
>> Cc: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>> Subject: RE: [Histonet] What percent of HTL's do not have a BS degree?
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> I've got no statistics to offer you...just an observation.  I would 
>> say that finding an HTL, without a Bachelor's degree is akin to the 
>> proverbial needle in a haystack.  Anyone that obtained their HTL, 
>> if/when they could be grandfathered in, is likely to be retired or 
>> close to it.  First of all, most folks that went the OJT route for 
>> certification were eligible to sit for the HT only (to my knowledge).
>> I've never met anyone with an HTL that did not have a Bachelor's as a 
>> pre-requisite.  I've been doing histology for ~25 years.  I've met 
>> people from all over the country and various parts of the world.  
>> Truth is there isn't an abundance of HTLs out there.  Unlike the 
>> Medical Lab world, with the basic differences between MTs and MLTs, 
>> anatomic path does not exactly mirror that with the HTL and HT.  It's 
>> true the MT and HTL both require a Bachelor's, but responsibilities in
>>     
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>> most labs, etc., generally do not hinge on someone being an HT vs. an
>>     
> HTL.
>   
>> A person like myself is probably more common (Bachelor's and an HT).
>> Unless you know of someone in particular; that you want to hire, with 
>> an HTL without a Bachelor's, I wouldn't waste time trying to justify 
>> it.  I guess the bottom line is if you want an HTL, that person will 
>> almost assuredly have a Bachelor's.  If you want to hire someone 
>> without a Bachelor's that is certified (HT) you'll have better luck.  
>> I think having an HTL is a great thing.  I honestly have never pursued
>>     
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>> it (though eligible) as the circumstances of my career would not have 
>> rewarded me for doing so.  As a matter of fact some employers may look
>>     
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>> at it as an over-qualification, or at least no justification for 
>> better pay, perks or responsibility.  Again, no slam to HTLs just the 
>> way things are, at least in my experience.
>>
>> If you want to hire people without a Bachelor's I would definitely 
>> pursue HTs.  HTs have been doing a great deal of very good work for 
>> years in this field.  And it sounds like you're viewing the Bachelor's
>>     
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>> thing as limiting factor more than the HTL itself.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Tom Jasper
>>
>> Thomas Jasper HT (ASCP) BAS
>> Histology Supervisor
>> Central Oregon Regional Pathology Services Bend, Oregon 97701
>> 541/693-2677
>> tjasper <@t> copc.net
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>> [mailto:histonet-bounces <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Feher,
>>     
>
>   
>> Stephen
>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:12 AM
>> To: histonet <@t> lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>> Subject: [Histonet] What percent of HTL's do not have a BS degree?
>>
>> I'm trying to find some solid statistics to justify being able to hire
>>     
>
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>> HTL (ASCP) candidates who do not have a Bachelor's degree.  I am 
>> contending that requiring the candidate to have a Bachelor's degree 
>> will eliminate a substantial number of very qualified people.  Does 
>> anyone have any solid references to support my position.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> Stephen A. Feher, MS, SCT (ASCP)
>>
>> Pathology Supervisor
>>
>> Catholic Medical Center
>>
>> 100 McGregor Street
>>
>> Manchester, NH 03102
>>
>> 603-663-6707
>>
>> sfeher <@t> cmc-nh.org <mailto:sfeher <@t> cmc-nh.org>
>>
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